The Armour Archive

Norman

Bill didn't figure that out when the tag line was "the way they should have been"? Dude.. WE DON'T EVEN DO RELIGION. That should be a REAL BIG CLUE to anyone smart enough to remember that whole "breathing, keep doing it" thing, that we aren't terribly informative about Medieval ...

Norman

Maeryk wrote:"the way they should have been"

Speaking of pet pieves
I hate that tagline

Norman

Am I just an oddball in that I apprenticed to a Laurel who's primary area of research and interest was the scribal arts, which was and still is mine? I've branched out a lot since the beginning of our relationship but I am still and will probably always be known best as a scribe in my kingdom. Its ...

Norman

Bringing us to my quote you started with -- the lack of clarity is a problem as the newbie who "learns" what an aprenticeship is from the SCA structure will, if allowed in public have the following conversation: Bill Scanewb: "Master Hatter is a very skilled milliner" "I am...

Norman

Moreover, if you are taking a student who is newer to Medievalism and are mentoring him/her through learning to research and understand the world of medieval artisan...ship, then you are doing a severe dis-service to that student (and to the standing of the SCA as a "educational society")...

Norman

That's the entire point of this thread, inaccuracies (Re-un-accurates) that bug you. Although in this case, it's not just the term, it's the activity as well. With that I agree. But he also stated that a laurel is a mastery in SCA politics, not a craft mastery, and that's the part that I disagree w...

Norman

If the only thing you know is that you have a coat of lamellar, then its all pretty much up to you. Very similar lamellar plates have been found from as early as the 3rd century to the 14th/ 15th ...and even somewhat continued in use through the 19th. So your decision will depend on the rest of what...

Norman

I have to agree with Norman about the historical aspects of what the Apprentice/Master relationship is in regard to Guilds/Fraternities. You learn the same craft, so I can see why that would be confusing to have an apprentice learning a different craft. Oh, yeah, I see Norman's point. But that's no...

Norman

K - different pet pieve: SCA - "aprentices" who are learning a different craft than their "masters". This used to confuse me to no end -- before I came to SCA I was aprenticed to an armorer -- no role-playing aspect to the relationship (except when we were playing a little to a ...

Norman

K - different pet pieve: SCA - "aprentices" who are learning a different craft than their "masters". This used to confuse me to no end -- before I came to SCA I was aprenticed to an armorer -- no role-playing aspect to the relationship (except when we were playing a little to a ...

Norman

You could be knighted (not exactly the same as ennobled) for a bunch of stuff. I recollect a story about a cook... Right. Knighted. Ennobled I wonder how manySCA knights would be okay if Laurel and Pelican were just merged into Knight? Laurel is a little confusing -- it's kinda like supposed to be ...

Norman

Norman, thanks for the thougths and the links, but it leads to two problems - It doesn't go with my helmet and since that's my baby I'm trying to build the kit around the hat, I'm not big on being one of the "oh, my persona was sent to school in Japan to learn the art of paper folding, while t...

Norman

I mentioned tourneys, are they not the preserve of the nobility? "Certainly if I am working from the i.33 manuscript - this was most likely civilian martial arts. Then there's the stickfighting done in England at least as far back as 16 century - a "lower class" contest form. .."...

Norman

Mid 13th century and no mail ?!? GO Mongol! For European Mongol you want a Golden Horde personna - but most of your detailed visual source materials for armour and clothing will actualy be Ilkhanid. Two basic un-mailed looks: Long coat of plates All lamellar (urm ...having trouble finding a good det...

Norman

Rebated steel, in contrast, is generaly unarmoured fighting as (whether you wear armour as part of your costume or not) you are responsible to call all shots that would cut an unarmoured person. Well in Adria, rebatted steel IS used for armoured combat...So that isn't entirely correct....But I do s...

Norman

Okay, I just breezed through this thread, and I see a potential problem here... People took issue with the following terms: "heavy" & "light" combat "armoured" combat "chivalric" combat "rapier" combat "fighter" "soldier" &qu...

Norman

Milos N. wrote:

Milos!
Where is this from?
The mix of imagery is ...
This is 'ffing great!
Can I see more?

Norman

"troll". "smalls/haflings". "dragon!" (for car). "SQUEEE! YOU ARE NAKED!" (for civvies.. no. I'm wearing clothes. Trust me, you don't _REALLY_ want "naked" from me). Of all the scadianisms that bother me, 'heavy' or 'light' fighter bothers me the mo...

Norman

Peace-tying is a relatively useless SCA-ism that has no real purpose but seems to massage the sensibilities of those same people that see all knives as weapons of hostility I've never seen a requirement for "peace tying" at an SCA event (I've never met any SCAdian who had a problem with r...

Norman

[I]t's not 'heavy fighting', it's Armored Combat. It's not 'light' fighting, it's Rapier Combat. I try to always use those terms and encourage others as well. Not a few fencers dislike calling the "heavy" side "armoured" because many of them wear armour as well. I recall at one ...

Norman

It's funny, When I was getting married, I spoke to my friend about this arch sort of thing, as well as the possibility of a sword performance (acrobatics are traditional at Jewish weddings and he is an accomplished King Fu artist). He said in his culture (he is Chinese) having blades at a wedding wa...

Norman

Whereas in NY you need to win the paperwork off a drunk unicorn.

Norman

Consider this in modern life: assuming you had all the paperwork to carry a concealed or open weapon in your state, would you carry a handgun or a AR-15? This is a great analogy for the answer "Its all about personna" In Israel, a recruit in his first year is required to carry his rifle e...

Norman

It's realy all about what is personna appropriate. The Samurai wore two swords as an indication of rank. Swords were quite commonly worn in late period Western noble circles (though I don't know the details of period) -- in fact there were laws promulgated to regulate the size of the sidesword/rapie...

Norman

speaking of kit dichotomy I love using my greatsword ... So, (in your opinion) which is the lesser of two evils. 1. The wrong weapon with the wrong armour (my 11th century rus armour with a greatsword). or 2. Create a weapon that never really existed, yet looks right with the armour (use a single h...

Norman

Besides, I have no idea how to make a medieval Flemish accent. During alergy season I can be quite Flemish But seriously I find that in the SCA eyes glaze over anywher past Jewish or Persian or at best Jewish Persian However, if I were doing a full on first person presentation, During the later Gol...

Norman

Looking at the dust jacket on my copy of "Unseen Academicals," I noted that Terry Pratchett is actualy Sir Terry Pratchett He is not well at this time - but the book indicates that he is certainly still in quite good form. (may he live another 120 years) Kilkenny, What does the advancement...

Norman

Yeah, I realize it looks mughal not persian but it gives me a starting point. Everything else I saw was maille and plate. This I think has maille in it but I can fiddle around a bit, and see what I come up with, and if I end up looking more Indian then Persian, so be it. Yes, the Mughal design is d...

Norman

Yeah, That armour style is too distinctive to say it "looks Persian" -- it is a gorgeous and very much Indian design. From what I can tell, it is a descendant of late Timurid brigandine and at that point in time it was in fact Brigandine with most commonly rectangular scales attached on th...

Norman

It is the remains of leather cords.
Quite common on the collars of Turkish armour.

Over the right shoulder there is three or four rows of maile which is oriented differently -- maybe there was a fastener, or a field repair

Norman

Imagine a world where people, after winning great wealth, continued to risk everything for reputation. ]Imagine a world where people, after earning great reputation and power in fourtune 500 companies, continued to risk everything for more wealth... Oh wait, we're stuck in that world today arn't we...

Norman

Like this
http://www.redkaganate.org/martial/armo ... amlr.shtml

Norman

Chello! In Russian decks, the jack is a baron. No he is not. Who told you that? The english "B" is the Russian "V" - for Valet I don't know Russian as such, but I've read that a lot of Russian terms were borrowed from French. the "Jack" in the Russian decks might be a ...

Norman

"Historical" Movies that shouldn't be watched, ... PATHFINDER ... I am of the opinion that the producers and costume designers for those movies should never again be allowed near any historical or historical fiction movie, upon pain of death, or at a minimum, pain of blinding, and mutilat...

Norman

On the Baidanas its tricky -- some of the rings look like they may be stapled - but there is no docs to confirm (add to that that some rings also look like they have no rivet at all ...) But the stapled style of maile riveting was certainly a done thing. In one Russian book on armour the Russian mai...

Re: lesser of two evils