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Norman

Kievian Rus That would be Russia not Poland ...okay, some time later, it will be Ukraine - but not till the 17th century but not Poland Isn't there another thread here about Russian 13th century? Very quickly (as I have to run away) you want a rounded conical helmet if you want a face on it, you cc...

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I have sitting on my desk at work, Kirpichnikov's work on the subject. Yeah, it's in Russian. Mord. Did you want to dispose of it -- what with its heathen tongue and all. I'll be happy to take it off your hands at no cost to you. Do you have any online samples of these manuscripts? Or what culture ...

Norman

Another avenue of research would be how much actual contact there was between Muslims and Mongols during your time period. We know there was eventually a lot, as Islam spread among various Steppes people, but how early was there significant contact? Not my area, so I have no idea, but probably an e...

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What Nieczar said And to elaborate in a slightly different direction -- From viewer's left to right Kipchak or KaraKalpak (Turkic in Ukraine area) overall helmet look based on Kovali and/or Lipovetz m m The guy in the middle is Mongol, Nieczar already mentioned the most likely sources for the helmet...

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Norman: I am familiar with Turkish coffee. Can we date it being prepared that way back to the origins of coffee as a beverage? I sort of suspect we can, but I am curious. Nope. Total assumption on my part. Certainly closer than the percolator or the French press. You should be drinking buttered tea...

Norman

" I agree, somewhat, about your idea that the British needed to leave to find something decent to eat." Do you mean in modern terms of decent or flavour variety or of its time in relation to other places etc? One day the Queen said "I could go for a spot of curry." And off went ...

Norman

No links but -- Get a bag of Turkish coffee. Many have instructions on the back. Very easy -- * Get a Turkish Coffee pot http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410X0334OtL._SL500_AA280.jpg (here's the Amazon search page. m * put a bit of water and alot of coffee (some sugar) * hold over fire and watc...

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Gin. Gin was pretty much the cocaine of England in the 18th Century HOw the English could drink that crud... Actualy, the most direct culinary link to "advancement" was the birth of the British Empire. They needed worldwide conquest to get something decent to eat. (I think this needs attr...

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Interesting notion but... Egypt - birth of Geometry, development of irrigation - Beer and Wine Greece - math, philosophy - Wine Rome - engineering - Wine On the other hand, the Chinese legend of the origin of tea ties its use directly to use by monastic aesthetics to aid in meditation. Very importan...

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And it was a realy crappy film I'm surprised. I heard lots of good things. Never got a chance to see it. As I understand, it is just a massive fun thrill ride which you must thoroughly not take seriously. I was a big fan of the "Night Watch" movies (but the European-Russian cut is better ...

Norman

At the risk of making a joke in this thread -

The number one

lasting contribution

of the Mongol invasions

to our civilization

[img]http://blog.800hightech.com/wp-content/uploads/wanted-movie-angelina-corner-shot.jpg[/img]
Directed by Timur Bekmambetov (Kazakh)

Norman

The problem you are having Norman, is you seemingly are unable to differentiate between the contributions of *civilizations*, versus ethnic or cultural things... to start from the premise that a particular ethnos is a vermin on the body of the world and then challenge others to prove that it is not...

Norman

Hrolf, Whilst not being an expert on historical timelines as such, I think bazubands started to appear from 1250 (?) onwards. 3/4 sleeve hauberk would be acceptable and intergrated mufflers work well. I've been using them in live steel reenactment and haven't had a problem with them. Knee length ha...

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I agree that Chef can be a know-it-all dink. But seriously. You've been dancing around the question for like 15 posts now. What contributions to civilization did the Mongol civilization make? Just name ONE so we can kill this thread! Well, I honestly don't understand why the following which I have ...

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A nomadic culture cannot develop a civilization, as a prerequisite of civilization is adopting a sedentry lifestyle, and agriculture to be the foundation of same. Note how ogedei and I are using culture and ethnicity while you are using "civilization" -- and getting realy technical about ...

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I can't view pictures on flickr
Otherwise, I may be of help.

Norman

In A&A of the Crusading Era (Eastern), items 417, 439 and 440 show numerous items that Nicolle identifies as pottery grenades from the 13thC. I'll have to look that over thanks. I thought I recalled all of the references coming from Yuan manuals and there being a dispute in the lit over whether...

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In A&A of the Crusading Era (Eastern), items 417, 439 and 440 show numerous items that Nicolle identifies as pottery grenades from the 13thC. I'll have to look that over thanks. I thought I recalled all of the references coming from Yuan manuals and there being a dispute in the lit over whether...

Norman

I think we're going in circles I asked you very specifically, and I will ask you specifically once more, to provide me with evidence of the copntributions of Mongolian civilization, to Persia, and to China. You fail to do so, because you canot find such evidence. You refuse to address the initial qu...

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From a guy who can't prodice a single scrap of evidence asked for, to support his claim, and who calls people Stalinists for asking him to produce any evidence. If you chose to use terms of art current in the worst examples of Soviet and post-Soviet "history" and then go on and on defendi...

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My descriptive of parasite and host is neutral... I think it was humpty dumpty who said he could make words mean what he wanted them to mean. Firstly, in common use "parasite" is not a neutral word -- it is used in propaganda and denotes disgust -- ie: "A tic on the body politic"...

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I wonder how they got the zinc on there.. You gotta follow the URL The mail and plate armour shown (XXVIA.300) and many other examples were found to have been coated in zinc, probably by hot dipping into the molten metal . XRF was able to show this treatment was far more extensive than the limited ...

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My descriptive of parasite and host is neutral... I think it was humpty dumpty who said he could make words mean what he wanted them to mean. Firstly, in common use "parasite" is not a neutral word -- it is used in propaganda and denotes disgust -- ie: "A tic on the body politic"...

Norman

Good Day, I am proud to say that a new armor workshop it being set up in Brooklyn. It is in the Brooklyn army terminal witch is in the same place as our fighter practice. We have a fair amount of tools for a new shop and it is growing weekly. But I am looking for some help. I am looking for some pe...

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Following a link provided by Armourkris ( m ), I eventualy got to The Royal Armouries and this abstract to an article published in "Royal Armouries Yearbook Vol 5" -- "Zinc coatings of Indian plate and mail armour" m Key phrases: A group of Indian plate and mail Armours ...earlie...

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off the top of my head.. How did I never come across that site before?! That's great!! Alas, more than half the pictures don't work for me m Interesting. Note that the neck plates are actualy on the hauberk not on the disk armour. You know ...if not for the atribution to a Florentine museum I'da th...

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If you look for Turkish disk armour pics, some will have a sort of integral gorget. This is a Russian version of what I'm talking about: http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/files/zertsaloback_716.jpg The main difference is that this one is on internal leathers while the Ottomans stuck to maile at...

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There is nothing neutral about the Mongol conquests, which were holocausts for the civilizations that endured them. Um, I applaud your anti-violent stance but ... You do realise that this is an armouring website where many people play at being Vikings, Crusaders...? (don't you play some sort of Bur...

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Umn.. I was in the middle of editing the other response ..so not sure whether things were already addressed or not "I suppose the development of Persian miniature painting is not a sufficient contribution?" How? because the Mughal became Persians? how is that a direct contribution? They ha...

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Persia and China are not India, Norman. Yes, the jpeg of the miniature was Persian. I suppose the development of Persian miniature painting is not a sufficient contribution? The picture of the Taj Mahal went with asking you why India was out of bounds. Bottom line chef, the reason my answers to you...

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Wait a second, are you implying that Mongols invetented/improved rug weaving and built the Taj Mahal for the indians? The rug thing was a joke -- to his statement that I could not address "other steppes cultures" (rugs are a big thing for folks like the Kazakhs, Uzbeks... other Persian-Mo...

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OK, Norman, Tell me precisely how the Mongoilian Empire made positive, long-lasting cultural contributions to China, and Persia, specifically, as those are the host cultures and political entities I specified - not other Steppe cultures. http://alwdis.net/forum/gerat2.jpg About one minute with Goog...

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Bob, I know this is not optimum ...but maybe will point you on the way -- http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/jpg/oedipus_small.jpg This is a rather famous classical period illustration of Oedipus. It shows exactly the kind of hat you want -- as I understand, a very common hat in classical Greece. ...

Norman

The nationalistic rhetoric of Russian archaeology studies is not simply a Soviet phenomenon: The "Normanist Controversy" of the origins of the Rus has been around for a little more than 200 years. Well, generaly, Russification is a program that has been in operation since Volodimir first ...

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Andeerz - Terracotta warriors are Qin dynasty - roughly 250 B CE The wreck under discussion is Yuan dynasty /Mongol - from 1270 CE Cap'n Atli - Thanks for the articles. If I read the first correctly, for the Chinese, cast iron is simply the begining of creating steel and by the 4th century CE or so...

Re: A armored tree grows in Brooklyn (help wanted)

Holy crap!!! - Just post-period Galvanized armour !!!