The Armour Archive

Thomas H

Most, if not all (Chef's the man to see) Brigs have groups of 3 rivets laid out in a trefoil shape. Tinning is the historical way to go but painting would also work, a dull metalic paint would disguise the paint. it depends how accurate you want to be.

Thomas H

If you need someone to host them, send em my to thomas.hayman@gmail.com and i'll put them up for you. The Brits are slowly finding their way to the archive, Yaaay.

I can't help but ask, did you get any snaps of the pavises?

Thomas H

You'd have been done for if he didn't post on here

Thomas H

oops, forgot the link, Thanks.

Thomas H

ohhh, i see. Sorry. all these funny inches and decimal inches

Thomas H

I read on the Norman helm article by Eric thing that a groove is cut then undercut on either side. the wire is then hammered in and keys into place, much like a dovetail joint in wood if you were to look at it in cross section. though, this is just from what i've read, there could be other ways to d...

Thomas H

Konstantin, are you sure you mean 100mm? thats 10cm thick!!

Thomas H

Ah Bob, i have info for the other one in sale but not that one, i'll reserve judgement on whether it is fake, or at least not contemporary to Charles the Bold's army for now.

Thomas H

I would. Braided leather was also used on some Pavises? something doable at home. i'll have a look round and see if i can find something early.

EDIT: Couldn't find anything early, should be recieving some info in the next few weeks so i'll see if there's anything in that.

Thomas H

Also, note the spikes bolted/riveted onto the bottom of that last one. The topic on the Myarmoury site gives a description of that shield: "the rear painted black and fitted at its upper end with an iron ring bearing a leather suspension-loop, and at its lower end with an iron handle; and the lower ...

Thomas H

You're welcome, i suppose. On later pavises, at least, we can make healthy assumptions that the gutter was used to support a crossbow/ Gonne. Much in the same way that later riflemen used a supporting pole with a fork on the end. The slope of the inside of the gutter could facilitate the crossbow tr...

Thomas H

Here are some images of pavise handles. Photos of the backs are like hens teeth. The arrangement on the backs of these 2 shields is pretty much standard practice, at least for Bohemian pavises. either a leather or iron handle split into four or 3 arms and rivetted either side of the gutter. Theoreti...

Thomas H

Maybe osmosis kicked in and the dry sand simply sucked out all the water?

Thomas H

After a random sputter of topics that didn't really go anywhere in chat the topic turned to pavises. Mal brought up the question, why do pavises have the central gutter?. After much sillyness and semi plausible ideas from people, we concluded, we don't have the slightest clue. ease of manufacture? n...

Thomas H

Cool, thanks for that, greatly appreciated, i'll add those to my table, it's progressing nicely.

Thomas H

I've read from other places about poles but have yet to see a fixing or pictorial evidence for one. If anyone could show me to an image of one i'd very much appreciate it. as for a date, a rough guess would be mid/late 14th??

Thomas H

it looks to be this helmet http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/ ... ick+thaden
Sorry Bob if you wanted to post it.
Gorgeous horse by the way.

Thomas H

i'd say about 4 inches deep adn i'll send you the strapping info. a spine wuld add a lot to what otherwise would be just a curved bit of wood. a square piece of pine should do fine with the back hollowed out to the right curvature. more later when i'm awake.

Thomas H

Having a boss on a pavise sort of defies the point of having the ridge as the ridge provides the cavity for the hand. I've never heard of or seen a pavise with a boss on.

Thomas H

I hav an image and a couple of descriptions lying round of strapping. ONe with a random 24cm long strap across the bottom of the shield (to short to be a guige, too long and floppy to be a handle??. post later.

Thomas H

It may help to specify what poundage, use, era and such. this will all help in finding the right bow for you. (i sound like a car salesman

)

Thomas H

Konstantin, it's hidden behind the end of the hammer in the hardie hole.

Thomas H

Some very cool images there, especially the last two.

Thomas H

eh, what, lies?

Thomas H

how about William Hurt at Age of Armour? http://www.ageofarmour.com/instock/pauldrons.html

Thomas H

You make it sound like raising a visor is no trouble at all

Thomas H

Mind if i make a bold assumption? Ok, i will anyway . If this pavise (and likely the Peter finer one) are so small, what would be the use of the spike on the bottom? surely not to sit it in the ground as others before have suggested, an offensive/ defensive weapon for use in close quarter combat is ...

Thomas H

i can't say i've measured any or know of measurements on thickness but i'd say most pavises come in around 1" or so thick.

Thomas H

I promise to be a good little paveyzer

Thomas H

I read somewhere that tow was used sometimes in lieu of canvas or linen. It's just remembering where i read it

. Is there a chacne i could have a gander at your notes too please? sounds very interesting.

Thomas H

Chef, you are right in that my information is with regards to central european Pavises. It comes from "Pavises of the Bohemian type-Vladimir denkstein" "We know already, from the conformation of the priveleges of the Old Town Guild of 1458 that the guild masters were to contribute to the municipalit...

Thomas H

( honestly, i haven't looked into specific users yet, this is a long term project) There are images of knights on horseback wearing the larger, convexly curved shields in place on the encrache which could be used on the ground, if need be.There is evidence of padded pavises with guige straps that co...

Thomas H

Pavises were constructed using wood of varying types from linden to plain old pine, mainly for weight reasons. They are relatively easy to construct though getting it perfect is hard. They are constructed from vertical planks of wood, roughly 3-4 inches wide, held together with dowels and fish glue....

Thomas H

For those interested, i have added more entries to my documentation including one shield weighing a massive 17.5 kilos!. If any more specific info is required regarding the designs, i'll happily type it up. most descriptions run a half page or so but there just isn't the room in excel for that much ...

Thomas H

The Henry VIII tonlet actually has cut outs front and back that allow it to sit over a horse. Like this http://users.wpi.edu/~jforgeng/HarnessI ... age002.jpg

Ivo: Jason password protected a lot of the colection for various reasons, i'm sure if you mail him and ask him very nicely he'd be able to help you out.

Pavise central gutter