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Kenwrec Wulfe

I may be offering something so obvious that everyone else is already working with the thought in mind and I'm just late to the party, but... I get the impression the discussion is based on the idea that the sleeve, or the chausse, is one continuous piece running over the elbow/knee. What if there i...

Kenwrec Wulfe

I was also wondering what your thoughts would be on trying this in this initial test: http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/206453_10150157335612231_717392230_7037025_5972997_n.jpg http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217029_10150157336842231_717392230_7037042_1813350_n.jpg Or do ...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Kenwrek, That's more like the shape of the scales on the statue. The hew hole spacing is better with respect to the base of the scale, but now the holes are a bit close to the sides. How do you like my crazy ideas about hot gluing the test scales to an old shirt? Mac It is an excellent idea. I dont...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Ok...new scale (top) old scale (bottom):

Kenwrec Wulfe

It is the crux that is my biggest concern. Perhaps if you aligned the scales to where the edge of one row fell on or just below that crux, a reasonable bend would work fine.

Kenwrec Wulfe

Russ Mitchell wrote:Holes seem kinda small, but otherwise, I'd say that's on the money, bro.

That was just for general size and placement. Its a piece of file folder and I poked holes with a needle

Kenwrec Wulfe

So...something like this?

Kenwrec Wulfe

So, what size, shape and hole pattern should I test? I have a source for some stiff, thin card stock that I could make a few different things from, and some scrap fabric lying around for backing to at least get a decent test done... Based on the statue, I would think something like ~1 in long by ~1/...

Kenwrec Wulfe

What his Grace said.

General sizes that are common to SCA armour are 3/16 and 1/8.

Kenwrec Wulfe

Milan, The 3D printed plastic scales would make a good first approximation test. If you made there be four holes (in a square pattern) per scale, they could be sewn down with a machine; like buttons. This would be (relatively) fast. The whole arm could be done flat and then sewn up with one seam. T...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Did a quick google on Lorica squamata and found nothing at all that shows it used as full arm or legs defense. Everything stops before the elbow and there is nothing I can find for Lorica squamata in legs armour....

Kenwrec Wulfe

I've worn scale on my arm and a cuirass with just the front 'scaled' in the smaller Roman sizes mentioned above and had no problems with articulation at all, quite the opposite. Scale mounted to linen which was in turn sewn to leather. Not sure about the bigger scales, but at the smaller scae I had...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Gentleman, I think we need to distinguish clearly between lamelae and scales. Lamellae are laced to one another by some sort of cordage. They need a lot of holes. Scales are attached to a foundation garment, either by rivets or by sewing. In either case they at least two holes so they don't rotate....

Kenwrec Wulfe

Well, the price is right... but the scale is wrong. Good for costume appearance, but would they move the same way as a scale with two holes? Not terribly useful, sadly. Eh, was worth a shot - I have never worked with scales of that size (and only done lamellar once), so I am not sure how a single l...

Kenwrec Wulfe

@Mac, Agreed, though it's occasionally taken too far -- there are a lot of Italian wall-paintings showing supposedly "Orientalist" equipment, obviously imagined by the painters... except insofar as they exactly correspond to the gear used by Hungarians who just happen to have been overrun...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Russ et al., Those rivets are there to keep the edges of the fabric facing from gaping away from the plates. It's a pretty standard feature of brigandines. I doubt if the arms, or the legs for that matter, are in any way attached to the body armor. But, how about those arms and legs!!?? What's with...

Kenwrec Wulfe

I use a large file box with folders, label the folders and just flip through as I need. You have to be conscious enough to put it all back when you are done though or organization loses its effectiveness.

Kenwrec Wulfe

I am doing a comparative to the St George at Hradcany. He has full scale limb defenses, based on the statue. I am trying to determine how to create the design so that one can bend the elbows and knees with the full scale limbs that are present on the statue.

Kenwrec Wulfe

This is related to the St George topic: For Scaled limb defense, how does the armour design function around the elbow and knee bends? All I have ever seen, held, etc... has been body defenses of scale and there is no need for it to bend in the same fashion as with an elbow or knee. Would someone fam...

Kenwrec Wulfe

i am pretty sure(not knowing the date the sculpture was cast) that large bronze investment wasent possible until the 15th century.just like renaissance paintings of roman soldiers in sallad and plate armor escorting jesus to the cross. this is a artists interpratation of earlier armor, thus the res...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Russ Mitchell wrote:I had an EXTREMELY outdated digicam with me on the trip (as in, it actually took photos that looked *Further Away* than I was standing), so bear that in mind. These aren't high-quality shots.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_eqFR ... CN4212.JPG
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/_eqFR ... CN4213.JPG
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_eqFR ... CN4216.JPG
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_eqFR ... CN4230.JPG

I would love to see more of this one... looks like a mirror of the one at Hradcany!

Kenwrec Wulfe

Mac wrote:A sister statue in Transylvania!?!? Let's see the pics!

Mac

OH OH!! *raises hand!* Yes please!!

Kenwrec Wulfe

Mac wrote:Kenwrek,

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I don't think Irish's option #4 is viable. There is no flexibility. The fabric facing will be pinched between the rivets and the edge of the next plate down.

Option #1 is the one.

Mac

That makes sense. Thank you Mac.

Kenwrec Wulfe

We may or may not be saying the same thing but speaking different languages. So, becuase I can draw better than type here is what I THINK you and I are saying. Plus an option that may actually be what it really is. I think the lay is the same way you think the lay is, actually. Though your 4th opti...

Kenwrec Wulfe

http://studio930.com/jetrefilm_photogra ... plate4.jpg

Kenwrec Wulfe

I meant that the rivets were at the bottom of the plates and that the plates overlaped the opposite direction from the standard lay of the coat-of-plates design. By comparisson to another "plated" armour of this general era, the lamellar armour has two distict forms. One for foot soliders...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Just on an aside... the plate breakdown on the St. George is striking similar to this 15th cent Brig design....

http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/brig/15thBrig.jpg

Kenwrec Wulfe

Kenwrik, Thank you for posting the link to that excellent set of photos! This armor would be a great project. I would be surprised if the asymmetry of the back was anything more than a mistake by the sculptor. What do you mean when you say "reversed coat-of-plates type of method"? Mac I a...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Yes, this has come up before (even by me) - but it has been over a year and I am looking for some new thoughts on the question.... If you dont know it: m I have been researching this for some time now and am trying to figure out a construction method. I have done a breakdown of the plates from the S...

Kenwrec Wulfe

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Kenwrec Wulfe

Thanks to everyone who responded. Gives me a better idea of expectations. Just figures that the one time I choose to order a piece of armour and not make it, I have issues....

Kenwrec Wulfe

Before I get mad/pissed/upset/irritated further about this.... I would like to know what other people have experienced with shipping times from Ukraine. I have now been waiting over 5 weeks from the date of shipment (2/25) to FL, USA. Is this normal? The individual who shipped to me said that this ...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Before I get mad/pissed/upset/irritated further about this.... I would like to know what other people have experienced with shipping times from Ukraine. I have now been waiting over 5 weeks from the date of shipment (2/25) to FL, USA. Is this normal? The individual who shipped to me said that this i...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Welcome and well come to the Archive, Rich251076! That's a good question, if a wider question than you might have expected.... they might do it up for free out of sheer amusement and interest, or for the barter of a six-pack of beer. I recommend getting nice beer for such a fella. Any cheap schmo c...

Kenwrec Wulfe

Kenwrec... .... those are great! ... You're.... despicable! In the best sort of way though! Good work! Thanks! Not soo despicable though...are not pretties for me...they are for a friend up in Chicago. My pretties are coming as soon as I have my full shop set up. The pint sized shop (what I have no...

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