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- Sun Feb 27, 2005 11:00 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Effectiveness of archery
- Replies: 20
- Views: 417
In America it is usually: armor for modern armor... tanks, etc armour for historical armour Maybe for enthusiasts who wish it to be so, but if the common person in America were to be spelling out any type of "armor" it would have no U. That is an English way of spelling it, not American. Just like ...
- Sat Feb 26, 2005 10:05 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: 'Barbutes', salades, and mail gorgets
- Replies: 9
- Views: 310
This seems to be a hot topic as of late in other circles, as well. There is an effigy (English, I think), for the life of me I cannot find the picture now, depicting a salade with what appears to be mail clearly draping for the "inside of the helm". I am fairly certain that it would be a style of ma...
- Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:28 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Effectiveness of archery
- Replies: 20
- Views: 417
i love how americans spell armor i always thought it was armour. In America it is usually: armor for modern armor... tanks, etc armour for historical armour It is actually the Europeans/British who use the word armor at great length. IE, Journal of the Arms and Armor Society and Arms and Armor (for...
- Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:11 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Bibliography and book lists
- Replies: 23
- Views: 270
ARS has about 860 titles stored at present... with about 150-200 more to add once I get off my butt, pull them together and insert them. Here are a couple that are publically accessible: Books that Doug Strong owns. Books that Brian W. Rainey owns. - Incomplete... to be updated (missing ~20 titles)....
- Sat Feb 26, 2005 12:07 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: finished B+W burgonet
- Replies: 21
- Views: 512
- Fri Feb 25, 2005 7:31 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Visors in the 14th Century- fastening
- Replies: 30
- Views: 581
Thanks, Brian! I always thought something of the sort must exist, especially when looking at the Thun Sketchbook, but though it interests me, I'm not all that knowledgable about mail. Just goes to show that I should make my way through the entire Grimm site, and not just hit my usual preferences. I...
- Fri Feb 25, 2005 10:39 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Milwaukee Area Armourers, Spring Steel Order - Chicago, too!
- Replies: 176
- Views: 1736
- Fri Feb 25, 2005 9:10 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Visors in the 14th Century- fastening
- Replies: 30
- Views: 581
I've wondered for a while what holds up the mail inside the 'barbute', as I find it hard to believe that a full hood would be worn underneath, even though I have seen a bit of French artwork from the late 15th c. that shows this being done with a salade. James, I have often wondered the same thing....
- Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:05 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Splinted armor question
- Replies: 8
- Views: 300
Here's one from about the middle of that date range, the effigy of Adolf VIII von Berg; m The effigy has what is a very common method of depicting the splint arm defences. I have yet to figure out what those raised ridges are between the splints, something common to most depictions. Erik Erik, Is i...
- Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:38 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Seeking specific pieces of armor and their physical location
- Replies: 13
- Views: 335
- Wed Feb 23, 2005 2:58 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Milwaukee Area Armourers, Spring Steel Order - Chicago, too!
- Replies: 176
- Views: 1736
- Tue Feb 22, 2005 4:38 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Seeking instructions for a power planishing hammer....
- Replies: 4
- Views: 180
Have Rick at Centaur build you one based off of an air hammer. They have the barstock available and he could whip one up... similar to Doug's... in short order for you... on the cheap, I am sure. Additionally.. he has a knack for over engineering... so you wont have to worry about it breaking... eve...
- Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:44 pm
- Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
- Topic: Indian Mail Shirt for Sale...
- Replies: 4
- Views: 193
- Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:43 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Milwaukee Area Armourers, Spring Steel Order - Chicago, too!
- Replies: 176
- Views: 1736
- Tue Feb 22, 2005 2:26 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Milwaukee Area Armourers, Spring Steel Order - Chicago, too!
- Replies: 176
- Views: 1736
Just a thought...... keep in mind the ability to transport and store and divide this much material..... it could become logistically difficult. If you are looking at a load this large, I highly suggest getting a trailer of some kind. Otherwise: My truck has a PAYLOAD capacity of 1460 lbs.... and a t...
- Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:32 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: HOW I FOUND ALL THOSE WONDERFUL ARMOR BOOKS.....
- Replies: 13
- Views: 525
Online bibliographies that I have found useful:
Doug Strong
Brian W. Rainey - Incomplete... to be updated.
Wade Allen
Craig Nadler
ARS (Members Only) - ~900 works, about 500 more to be added
Doug Strong
Brian W. Rainey - Incomplete... to be updated.
Wade Allen
Craig Nadler
ARS (Members Only) - ~900 works, about 500 more to be added
- Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:42 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: 1st Annual Armour Research Society Conference...
- Replies: 125
- Views: 2810
Given current discussions that are happening outside of this thread.... there may be a very good reason for us to hold this conference in the physical museum. One of which will be the ability for people to easily access the at least partially rotated collection which should be on display some time i...
- Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:13 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: 1st Annual Armour Research Society Conference...
- Replies: 125
- Views: 2810
According to the MAG website, there's a event in the Fall. m MAG will most likely become the "ARS Practical Workshop". There will be a hands on this summer/fall. We are working on bringing a person to the Chicago area that is a very well practiced metalworker with the capacity to teach advanced met...
- Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:41 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: 1st Annual Armour Research Society Conference...
- Replies: 125
- Views: 2810
Erik (and Brian and Doug), may I make the proposal to consider funding of needy students by the ARS, in order to attend the conference? Let those who feel they have insufficient funds write a short proposal to the board of directors of the ARS, explaining why they would like to attend and what they...
- Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:10 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: 1st Annual Armour Research Society Conference...
- Replies: 125
- Views: 2810
I would love to hear your reasons for not giving students a discount. Alaric Alaric.... It is quite simple, the price for the conference at this time is bargain basement. There is NO room for negotiating a discount. We left two levels of tickets... with or without lunch served... for this reason......
- Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:03 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: When Armor goes Hollyood in a gothic kinda way ....
- Replies: 11
- Views: 643
tinyurl.com is your friend. Don't post long urls. Morgan, you keep suggesting people use tinyurl.com. On caveat I would put out there is they don't keep it forever. I went to an older thread that used tinyurl (I can't remember which one it is) but it told me the tinyurl was no longer valid. Rob Why...
- Fri Feb 18, 2005 7:56 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: ADVANCED GREAVE MAKING THREAD
- Replies: 78
- Views: 1807
I doubt anyone here would deny that many methods were used together. What is being argued is the impracticality of having a plattner make sheets specific to each type of armor. Yep. Would there really be any savings (in time or resources) with this method over using a homogenous sheet and shaping i...
- Fri Feb 18, 2005 1:10 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: ADVANCED GREAVE MAKING THREAD
- Replies: 78
- Views: 1807
Questions: - If I am Mr. Armourer... and I run out of "greave material", what happens? - If I need a particular piece with varied thickness in all the right places... I have to take to time to explain my needs to someone who will then flatten out the material to the desired thickness in the proper a...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:54 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: My apology and explanation (re: Williams book)
- Replies: 29
- Views: 873
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:25 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
I have even been able to crease leather in this fashion as well as flute leather in this fashion. You are my hero! If you did not have such a cute girlfriend... who could probably beat me up... I would kiss you! Given your review of effigies and pictorial evidence, do you think that most, if not al...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:14 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 4:11 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
Saying that paint/gesso is not mentioned as being on a piece. I said this. Saying that somebody else's inspection and description of a piece is inaccurate. I have no idea why you think I said this. As this is not what was said. My apologies if I wrote something to the contrary. My reference to the ...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:36 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
Russ... I am being very clear in stating that none of the known existing early 14th century rerebraces, as they have been published, show any type of gesso or paint having been applied. Nor is any type of covering mentioned. If there is evidence of paint/gesso it was left completely out of the desri...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:06 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
Hello. Gesso actually was in use, even on hardened leather. The famed von Pranck barrel helmet has a crest of two horns that actually are covered in linen, gesso and then painted. But I´d like to know more about the famed tooled rerebrace...gesso or not? Regards Ivo Not. From all that I have rea...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 3:00 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
Oh, great. So on European pieces, we're into a he-said/she-said on whether said piece shows evidence of ges/pai. Just lovely. Who did the work that debunks Dobson's analysis? In terms of painting, it certainly was done. I have photographs of leather armor from a private collection Damascus with the...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 2:23 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
On soaking in glue: For smaller pieces (lamellar lames) I agree that it works great, even better than painting it on. FYI - None of the numerous existing early 14th century rerebraces (like the one Mr. Dobson references from the British Museum) show any evidence of gesso or painting.... to my knowl...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:10 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Milwaukee Area Armourers, Spring Steel Order - Chicago, too!
- Replies: 176
- Views: 1736
I tried Precision Steel, and their quote system didn't work. I don't have much faith in companies that can't keep their own web site working. I will, however, try again. Edit: Their quote system still doesn't work. Gruber, I'll try to call you in the morning, but I'm busy with class just about ever...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 6:28 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: What are the current thories on the reasons for gilding?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 434
But if labor costs don't matter, what do I care if it is harder to polish the steel? Oxidation isn't a problem with purer alloys of gold, it won't appreciably tarnish. I was not addressing the statement of labor being more or less expensive than today.... I was discounting the previous statements o...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:28 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: How do you harden leather armor?
- Replies: 42
- Views: 641
Chris Dobson made a valiant effort at reproducing leather armour.... however a lot of it is speculation and trial and error. While the end result is good... I would expect that hardened leather was not done in the fashion suggested. Dan Houchins has done a significant amount of research into this su...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:10 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: What are the current thories on the reasons for gilding?
- Replies: 35
- Views: 434
