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Hushgirl

How much charcoal y'reckon we're a-gonna need, Paw?

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Check your time, love. I don't start on you until at least 5:00. Takes you twenty minutes to crawl out most mornings, and that's with coffee brought to you.

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I'm getting him up for work now. He won't have time to post after that. Hang on.

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Looks like a chunk of hide with shoulder straps. From the angle of the straps, I'd say they don't meet behind his neck. Wish I had the right angle to see if there's another chunk hanging down his back.

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Alcy--you're using common sense--you know how dangerous that can be....

I would imagine something like a tabbard, but some of the picture I've seen show a large rectangle, belted at the waist and pinned at the top.

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But if the topic is only discussed in private, it is not disemminated in public. I am so very frustrated. Asking Marcus to read the back of his card is directly related to the original question: "Is there an oath?" Yes, I said those things, but look at the context. People were skimming and reacting,...

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Oh, you can have it. Bela understood the question, and it seemed to be going somewhere for a while, but too many people are having reading problems. Is it possible to be visually deaf? Or is it too much to ask people to actually think about what they say? Anyway, I'm done. Honor, apparently, doesn't...

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See how much more reasonable I seem when you actually read what's written instead of what you think I might have said?

Smilie omitted.

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But we have to have common ground.

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I don't think many of them do this in order to be finks. I think that, since there really is no agreed upon standard, they just don't know how to act. I really do think there should be definitions agreed upon. because if it cannot be quantified it cannot be taught--and if it cannot be quantified and...

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Samuel--you are allowed your opinion, but if you can't explain what you owe others in the social construct most reinactors/recreationists have built, you have no right to demand what is owed to you. As Vitus pointed out, there are those people who want to receive, but feel they are too good to give,...

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JP--I did say "almost", didn't I? I'm not sure, I've had to quote and requote myself so often today. ;< <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Vermin: I'd call that honorable. " As would I Hush. However, if he l...

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You see, there's a consistancy. Malcolm keeps the oath he gives. If he swears to me he'll do something, I can count on it.

If he swears to support his king, he'll do it.

I'd call that honorable.

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by flonzy: Hush I think the problem with your question is that Honor and Chivalry are like a pizza, no 2 people have the same idea on what toppings to get http://www.armourarch...

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Heairn: But then.. my oath was not to "obey."...just as your above-quoted wedding oath wasn't either. Malcolm <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Umm, actually I swore to "occasio...

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by flonzy: Hush I think the problem with your question is that Honor and Chivalry are like a pizza, no 2 people have the same idea on what toppings to get http://www.armourarch...

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While I may differ with their exact stances, Vermin, Richard of Blackmore, Vitus, and Count Rhys have all said "I believe X, and will perform Y because of it. You may feel free to convince me otherwise, or condemn my actions, but you will not tell me that following my convictions is dishonorable" Bu...

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Basically, I'm digging at a cliff with a pocket knife trying to find a vein of ore. I have my preconceptions, which I'm willing to have expanded, but I'm getting no consistant input (unless you count the input of those who are deliberately trying to derail the conversation). Not once have I said you...

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We could double-dip!

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But those who work for the team go farther and are better thought of? Have better renown? Which some equate to honor?

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Winterfell: So Hush, is the original line of thought here asking what holds an authorized fighter in the SCA true to their word? And How binding is it if a fighter who eith...

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V--let us know when you get your head out of that barrel. All right, I'm all for pointing out to the king when he wants to do something wrong--that's the "give wise council" clause of the midrealm oath. And I allowed that as one of my threee possibilities, I do believe. I can't help but draw militar...

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So Vermin--did you swear fealty to your king? Did you agree to abide by the rules and conventions? Is your word/oath/agreement worth more than hot air? Or is it just what you had to do to play? And do you have anything worthwhile to say? Bela has pretty neatly understood and answered the question at...

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Sorry--too many points in one post. I'm trying to keep it focussed on oaths and honor, but whether we should have combat archery or not keeps creeping in, as does courtesy. I'm only asking about oaths and honor An agreement is de facto an oath, therefore subject to the matter of honor. If I agree to...

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Sorting through that, are you saying you are not bound to keep your oath of fealty, since the king is no more than you are?

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I have often found fighters at odds with the rules or with the intention of their kings. While it is not dishonorable to disagree with the rules or with your king, it seems to me that if you agree to certain conditions you are honor bound to keep to them. What started this was Vermin's tactic of "ea...

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Thank you , Bela.

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The only oath I took in earnest is to love, honor and cherish. Anything that gets in the way of that oath loses. But I have been informed that nothing I think counts, only what the fighters think. Is a fighter's oath worth nothing more than what he feels like doing today, or is it binding on his hon...

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If I seem vague, it's because I'm trying to reach a point without sounding like a know-it-all. I'm trying to get you to reach a conclusion for me, because I have been informed in so many words that my thought processes are invalid. What is "honor", specifically in relationship to the oaths you take ...

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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Marcus Von Westphal: I have. It is a legal waiver that I realize the dangers of the sport and agree to play by the rules set forth. It is not an oath to my Liege Lord. Furt...

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Okay, let me try again (getting out the megaphone): This is a question about honor and oath-keeping. It is not about combat archery. It was the discussion about ca that inspired this line of thought, but this is about OATH-KEEPING not CA. Are you obliged to keep your oath, or is it perfectly honorab...

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Marcus, please read the back of your blue card.

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And will you gentlemen please take the extra time to read what I wrote before you tell me what I said? It's very annoying.

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Marcus--actually, I said disobeying your king was not chivalrous. Am I wrong?

I said not keeping your oath was unchivalrous. Am I wrong?

I said not playing by the agreed-upon rules was unchivalrous. Am I wrong there too?

[This message has been edited by Hushgirl (edited 01-03-2003).]

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Or we could donate it to the Stay Curious public television ad campaign, you know, like the one where the guy makes a flip book of himself singing his favorite opera?