The Armour Archive

Charlotte J

I know you addressed this at Tasha, but there are a few points I want to cover. Farby seems a harsh way to characterize it, but I know artisans are always striving for an ideal and always feel short of it. Why does "farby" have to be harsh? For me, it's about intellectual honesty. If I'm going to go...

Charlotte J

."--Charlotte J, 7 April 2005. Hey... leave me out of this... That was over a year ago. I'm currently "developing" a wetnurse impression. I want whatever role that I do fit the group. If I have a hand in saying where the group goes, great. If not, that's ok too, I'll fit where I fit if I want to go...

Charlotte J

If you put a little water at the bottom of an oil resevoir, as soon as the olive oil burns away the lamp will self-extinguish. Olive oil lamps will also self-extinguish if knocked over. They burn rather cool, and they're quite safe - safer than candles.

Charlotte J

I don't think it's a matter of not being able to create the color with the paints, but the fact that a wider variety of shades were available with paint than with clothing dye. In this age of pre-realism a red dress of a particular shade may mean that the artist liked red, the person was wearing a r...

Charlotte J

The Boke of Keruynge m I wish I would have found this discussion earlier. I just did a table display entry, and included some of this info in the docs. The reading I did was very helpful when it came time to explain to the judges what was going on at MTA. That's why I was in the pictures, as a sort...

Charlotte J

Hi Charlotte, Thanks! Uhm, the horizontal black line - not sure if I know exactly what you mean? There is a 'horizontal' line of 6 eyelets on each side of the front 'skirt'. These are at hip level. Those eyelets are for points. 3 points on each side. Each point using 2 eyelets - you can see it on t...

Charlotte J

Muriel - It looks amazing, as I knew it would. One question, as I'm pretty unfamiliar with arming garments. What's the horizontal black line across the hips for? Is that for hanging leg armour from the inside? Or from the outside? ETA - I looked again, and it seems that there are points on the insid...

Charlotte J

I'm picking up my bow after more than twelve years of sitting in the basement. Just out of curiosity, has anyone come across any evidence that women actually participated in target shoots during the 10th or 14th centuries? ... Anyone have any suggestions on how to tackle this? Thanks, I don't know ...

Charlotte J

apolloniavoss wrote:I'm only seeing broken links except for the source image.

I rearranged my photo albums, and actually gave that album a descriptive name, which it lacked before.

All of the cradle (and swaddling) pictures can be found at:

http://www.mathildegirlgenius.com/gallery/Cradle

Charlotte J

Jehan de Pelham wrote:4-inch wide belts were worn? Looks strange! Not my era, however, but I am looking to learn more, always.

John
Jehan de Pelham, esquire and servant of Sir Vitus
www.mron.org

Over a ladies gown, yes.

Charlotte J

Jehan de Pelham wrote:Jeff J's the MAN, he done built it!

Jeff J's the MAN cause he done FILLED it...

If you make that one, you're going to get really good at wood turning...

Charlotte J

Jeff J wrote:Upload Complete! About 75 pics here:

http://www.mathildegirlgenius.com/gallery/album03?page=1

Uh oh...

I renamed the album (to something descriptive) without realizing that Jeff already posted. It is now located at:

http://www.mathildegirlgenius.com/gallery/MTA2006

Please update your links accordingly.

Charlotte J

Josh Warren wrote:Any more photos of this event? I eat this stuff up. What did the other time periods look like?

My batch has one picture of Atli, several of La Belle, and more of the wimmen-folk stuff of our group. That's the batch that Jeff is working on.

Charlotte J

MelanieC wrote:
Charlotte J wrote:You shoulda been there... Your hubby was forced to start kissing on archers...

He left that detail out of the event report...

I just have to upload my photos...

Charlotte J

Thanks folks. I've been sewing for almost three years now and I'm happy to see improvement with each garment I make. These two outfits are the ones I'm currently most proud of. Chuck - I think I'm allergic to Jamestown. I'll see you next month at MTT! You shoulda been there... Your hubby was forced...

Charlotte J

I make mine, as I believe the best way to get a good-fitting garment for a woman is not going to be off the rack. For men, and for other goods, http://www.medievaldesign.com/indexengl.html is a sure bet for quality. They're not cheap, though.

You generally get what you pay for.

Charlotte J

That is not a furred short sleeved dress, and I've never heard of such a thing in a 15th century context - the outermost layer of a gown would be fur trimmed or lined (if it was trimmed or lined with fur at all - the vast bulk of clothing was not fur lined). I sincerely doubt a labourer in the fiel...

Charlotte J

Considering that no two extant garments are cut exactly alike, I think it's a great idea to consider if it gives the "right" look, then proceed ahead. Gwen, this is some great info, esp. the undies reference. The connection with the henpecked husband images I find especially intruiging. You should p...

Charlotte J

Jeff J wrote:
UberFist wrote:Just for the sake of asking, what would have been appropriate to wear for undergarments with this?

This chemise/smock (also available from HE) And nothing else. No bra, no undies. :

I count stockings as undergarments. So a pair of nice knee-high stockings would be appropriate.

Charlotte J

Edited - OT. Sorry!

Charlotte J

Looks great! Looks exactly like that image.

The offer still stands, if you want to link to my paper, feel free. When I have an updated version (it might be a while) I can send you the new link.

Charlotte J

and I limit the range of what I write, And yet, you refuse to accept the limits that I put on my scope. This doesn't make any sense. I limited it to a certain date range based on trends in fashion. I've limited it to art because the existance of sleeves in wills and inventories tells us nothing of ...

Charlotte J

Oops, Tasha. I didn't refresh before I responded, to see your "perfect is the enemy of good" comment.

Charlotte J

Chef, I am perfectly willing to accept that using art alone has its flaws. However, when there is a dearth of other evidence, sometimes that's all we have to look at. It seems to me that you are allowing the best to be the enemy of good. I didn't set out to write a thesis-length article, just an ove...

Charlotte J

Sabine--- The bulk of the TrÃƒÂ¨s Riches Heures was indeed painted in the early 15th c, but the manuscript was left unfinished and was not completed until the early 1480s by Jean Colombe. In the 12 illuminations of the months Colombe painted November (a solitary hunter) and the lower half of Septem...

Charlotte J

The reasons it gives for doing so are rather arbitrary, and in my opinion, not valid. Not when one sees peasant women labouring in the field in the same cut of dresses in 1413 (last I checked), and in the second decade of the 16th century. When one sees that phenomenon, then one ought reassess ones...

Charlotte J

Okay Charlotte, here is an example. Perhaps the reason it is a "thing" with her (Mary Magdelene) , is because she is the portrayal of 'everywoman', as Grimstone has pointed out. Why do you see MM as an "everywoman"? In the 15th century, and in many other time periods, she was seen as a whore. Maybe...

Charlotte J

Statistics of lot sampling say that a survey of a thousand images within the same time period would likely yield the same percentage. I want to be blindingly clear on this point. I looked at thousands of images to find 178 women in 115 images wearing a plain dress, or non-v-neck gown. That includes...

Charlotte J

OK. You dismiss the pictures that you see as unclear or 'dubious'. You then use the argument that we don't know if some of the pictures you do use are long sleeved gowns worn over short sleeved kirtles or not, yet this is essentially what you are basing your argument on - that the long sleeved dres...

Charlotte J

I think I already said this here, though it could have been at FS. I would not have posted this if I hadn't welcomed comments and feedback. I've been enjoying reading them, thinking about my points, and responding. I don't consider this "shit for sharing", except any allusions that I may have ignore...

Charlotte J

But 1515 is just as comprable to 1470 as 1455 is. There was no massive change because the calendar jumped to 1500 - oh yes, the Tudors came in and suddenly the world was enlightened - ha! In our group, and in my experience, we will use evidence leading up to our time period, but anything more than ...

Charlotte J

Grimstone: Do you accept that Mary Magdalene might not be the best source for pin-on sleeves? Do you accept any of my other arguments that certain images might be flawed? For example, women in a state of undress in a birthing chamber? Because you are basing the prevalence of pinned on sleeves in art...

Charlotte J

Sorry if I'm repeating myself, I thought I was clear last time I posted. Long sleeved gowns and kirtles are not the same thing. David, I wasn't ignoring you. As I mentioned, I haven't been able to respond to everything, and was leaving some of the posts to which I wanted to give more consideration ...

Charlotte J

Dang, I still haven't caught up. Instead of trying right now, I'm going to offer a general note, then head to bed, if Jeff doesn't drag me off of the computer before I'm done. Some of the disconnect here might be because, in essence, I'm trying to prove a negative. We all know what a logical mess th...

Charlotte J

Yes, with a but. That is to say, you created some catagories in an arbitrary fashion (the private-public space thing), without considering the other context of the depictions. I believe this has skewed the results of your survey. I'm not certain how much this could have skewed my survey results. I ...

Re: Women as archers: any evidence?

Re: What happened to the pictures?