The Armour Archive

Charlotte J

I'll offer the same explanation that I offered on the thread on firestryer. We were visiting friends and at a La Belle meeting this weekend, and the rest of the week I was catching up on things around here after the event the previous weekend. The article was just one of five entries into an SCA pen...

Charlotte J

You might also be interested in these Simon Bening images, circa 1515 - From the Da Costa Hours. I should think they are valid as the thesis includes the SAC (and its extended 'period) and is also showing progression of fashion or arguably a continued use not too far from the 15thC also all women a...

Charlotte J

Charlotte, did you include this sleeve in your survey? A color version is in From Van Eyck to Bruegel: Early Netherlandish Painting in the Metropolitan Museum of Art , Ainsworth and Christiansen, 1998. I think that's Saint Veronica in the foreground with a possible pin-on sleeve. Do you have any op...

Charlotte J

Your point that the paper isn't intended to be an end all, is why I make my first argument that the paper is unfortunately titled - if you can see, one 'debunks' a myth, and to do so, one must have some conclusive evidence, not evidence for some trends. Well, the title of my paper doesn't say anyth...

Charlotte J

Hm. Wow. I stay off of the archive for 24 hours, and I can see that I have a lot to respond to. Bob, (and to a lesser extent, Maeryk, as you say that you didn't read it), did you read this part of the paper? [quote]The source pool does not include documentary evidence such as inventories and wills, ...

Charlotte J

Interesting stuff. Does the ratio of normal women to special/marys etc represented in art reflect an accepted demographic? I ask because if we accept a nominal 1: 10 rich to poor (special to normal) in a population then if that is reflected in art then the numbers of pinned on sleeves (or anything ...

Charlotte J

Its that pic on the front cover I know we've discussed about there possibly being the same underdress under both 14th and 15th c - or at least a very similar one.. It could be very similar. There's certainly enough evidence of dresses without a waist seam in the 15th c. If it laces up the front and...

Charlotte J

Cet wrote:Fig 21 is from Memlings' Advent and Triumph of Christ 1480

Very nice presentation. I've saved a copy for later

Thanks! I figured that cite would turn up.

I've fixed it and updated it.

Charlotte J

Introduction: "In reenacting and SCA circles, the ubiquitous 15 th century womenÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s casual outfit consists of a short-sleeved fitted kirtle, with long sleeves pinned on at the shoulders. While this fashion certainly existed to some extent in 15 th century Western Europe, was it as common as m...

Charlotte J

David - good point. I should add leather points to the list of ok. Jeff has a full suit though, so he's going for higher class stuff. As far as fashion goes, we have the multi colored cord, plus the blingie points on armour. I don't know if I'd say multi colors might be fashionable in military wear,...

Charlotte J

Has the thread starter got any contributions to the subject? I don't have anything new, but I'll sum up my thoughts in general. -There were patterns published in the mid 15th century for multiple colored strands. -Multiple color strands were used on purses in the 14th century, civilian wear, though...

Charlotte J

I moved this discussion, so as not to offend Gwen with the continued speculations and inquiries of interested parties. Also as a general question why would arming points be multi-coloured but not 'civilian' ones, what would or could make the distinction, cost wont be the issue if for the wealthy, ev...

Charlotte J

Also as a general question why would arming points be multi-coloured but not 'civilian' ones, what would or could make the distinction, cost wont be the issue if for the wealthy, even if using the best dyes. Interesting though. I'd like to continue discussing this. I'll start this as a new thread s...

Charlotte J

Please don't be hurt by some of us wanting to see and interpret for ourselves. We do this hobby because we are naturally curious. When I write docs, I provide a bibliography and paper trail so that the interested *can* track down the details and see them with our own eyes. I don't even fully trust t...

Charlotte J

Jeff J wrote:
I guess you'll be braiding me some new points based on one of these patterns, then? 'Cuz you know, the current ones'd be WRONG!

HA!

You can't prove that they didn't do it...

Actually, the pattern I used for yours is also from the 1475 ms.

Charlotte J

Spiffy! Glad to see more documentation on two-colored points. Not sure about the braid vs fingerloop pattern issue. The pic Gwen has in the newsletter looks like only two colors to me. This site: http://fingerloop.org/patterns.html#n07 Shows several patterns, and documents them to period (yeay!) (M...

Charlotte J

Hi all, My girlfriend and I have just finished the basics of my unlined houppelande. I need to finish the hems, front opening, cuffs and add a collar but I think itÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s coming along swell. Any advice so far? IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m thinking of adding a stay tape around the waste to define the pleats but IÃ...

Charlotte J

Timothy F. wrote:Charlotte,

Wonderful! Now please tell me why the pin-on sleeves are not optimal. My wife's 15th cent "camp-dress" (from HE) has pin-on sleeves.

Thanks,
Tim

Tim, can I get back to you on that in a few weeks? It's a long answer, and I'll start a new thread.

Charlotte J

Here are some pics of Henry and me. The first two are my 15th c. kirtle. I do regret the pin on sleeves, but that's what I was wearing for a while, and it's the complete outfit. I'll have a replacement eventually. Henry is wearing a G-61 Herjolfsnes gown, made to just about the original dimensions, ...

Charlotte J

Fo Sho! We'll hand Henry off to Kim (d'ya think she's willing?) and sit down and do this!

Charlotte J

Oh hey, James. What did you string the coral and bone onto? The (thin) silk thread I used for mine broke. Did you use a thick silk or linen or what? Thanks! Did you fingerloop it? It's always looked to me like it'd be fingerlooped. I have a pic around here of one from a museum. I'm not 100% sure th...

Charlotte J

I've heard that the Veale book has been reprinted, you might try m for more information. Of course, that just gets my goat, because I found the reprint after I paid $80 for it used... David, I think you might find that a surprising cross section of society wore furs. Now, *what furs* are important, ...

Charlotte J

I divorced my uninteresting, oops, uninterested ex, and found myself a guy that wanted to dress up in tight pants on the weekends.

(Half kidding. That's not WHY we divorced, but it is how it worked out...)

Charlotte J

Thank god for wool...

Now, if only I hadn't given my pattens away.

Charlotte J

Sixtus_Goetz wrote:
James,

I can't seem to picture this, would you have a picture or a line drawing to assist by any chance?

Cheers

Sixtus

Loot at the first diagram on this page:

http://heatherrosejones.com/archaeologi ... l#WSFelled

Charlotte J

Darn - wish it was further out. Next on my plate to work on are 14th c outfits for each of us...

Charlotte J

Here's a trick I've heard of, but haven't tried... Chuck's mom did this for him on something quilted... Run your item through an industrial machine, with a different color thread on each side (for contrast). Pull the thread out, but then use the holes that it made to sew through. Makes it a lot easi...

Charlotte J

Sorry man!

We're already starting to plan for next year instead, so keep us in mind!

Charlotte J

Practice, I got. I have a ton of napkins, tablecloths, sheets, shirts, smocks, hems, eyelets, finishing, etc. under my belt. I'm just still slower than I think I should be!

Thanks for the tips. The sharp needle idea may help...

Charlotte J

I don't know, but you might want to make the thread title more descriptive. We're all here looking for ideas.

Charlotte J

Oh, my quality is just fine, it's just a matter of speed. I got burned - I made my last fully handsewn dress out of a very delicate wool, it looked like silk. Well, the stuff will just disintegrate under any kind of stress, and the dress is totally unwearable now. I spent a long time on it, and didn...

Charlotte J

So, all of you handsewers, any tips on how to make it go faster? I hand sew quite a bit, but I'm terribly slow at it. Anything other than "practice"? Do you use longer bits or shorter bits of thread? Tips, tricks?

Charlotte J

Kevin wrote:Of course, with the baby on the way, I'm guessing she'll have less and less free time. So chalk "us" up in the time column, too.

Hey, that's news! When is that happening? Congrats!

Charlotte J

I have the swaddle itself done (just a big linen square with a hem), but I'd like to finish by making swaddling bands and a wool gown for him.

Charlotte J

I'm sorry to announce that Pastonpalooza IV has been cancelled for this year, for various reasons. We will be back bigger and better next year, please stay tuned for info!

Debunking the pin-on sleeve

Colored points?

Re: Houppelande in the making

Pastonpalooza IV - Cancelled