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Templar Bob/De Tyre

A few little questions though. In that time period were gambesons worn over a tunic or under. Also, were vambraces common then. What kind of surcoats were they wearing, and what level of heraldry were they at? And finally, should I just make my gambeson big enough to fit over some light plastic arm...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Deus = God Vulte = wills it Therefore the Templar war cry Deus Vulte (God wills it). Deus Invico (Invictu) is God is invincible According to my handy Latin dictionary. Actually, the battle-cry of the Templars is "baucent" , after their parti-colored standard. The generic Crusader battle-cry was "De...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

And I will prominently display the motto: "Deus Invicto" Why? That means "God, I am undefeatable." If you mean "God is undefeatable" it's "Deus invictus." ("-o" is the first person verbal ending in Latin -- and as "Deus" is both nominative and vocative, it can only mean that you're talking to God a...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Now, not to sidetrack, but what, in Gods Name (hehehe), is 'Heartburn Kitty'? I am Heartburn Kitty: http://home.armourarchive.org/members/de_tyre/Heraldry&Crests/HBKittyS.JPG It's my registered SCA badge (which is fieldless, so ignore the green background), that I used for my now defunct household....

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Lucien Ro: Hear, Hear! As I just got my Magic-Sculp in yesterday's mail, I'm going to spend Saturday making a resin representation of Heartburn Kitty on one of my birchwood shield blanks, then cover it with glued-on deerhide. I'll attach aluminum "L-brackets" to the edges that are most susceptable t...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Ernst: Precisely the point I'd made earlier. If you want to do Third Crusade, hide the torso armour behind a surcoat. Body armour that was visible for that period was primarily maille . References to other items (Even allowing for their mention in the time period) were exceptions rather than the rul...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Karl: Dark lamellar pat??? I believe I've given Polarus information that was varied, and appropriate for what a Third Crusade soldier would have worn (which is specifically what he asked for). Further, I've done my level best to assist him with ideas on no less than three different styles of semi-ri...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Templar Bob, you got any links to those types of helmets you were talking about? Like pictures? It would eb greatly appreciated. Polarus: I would, but my home PC died--until I can either get a new one, or reformat the old one, I don't have access to that information at this time. Once it's up, I'll...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

According to <a href="http://www.sca.org/officers/marshal/combat/armored/rules_of_the_list.pdf">The Rules of the Lists</a>, there is no longer any restriction such as that described. The above document dated 12/01. Genuflect all you want, guys. If anyone complains, tell 'em the rule was removed. Br...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Sir Gaston and Tarquin, I was under the impression that that style helmet was 12th century. What documentation do you have? EDIT I'm not trying to be snarky, I'm genuinely interested in the helmet Saverio: That specific helm is based on an image from "The Murder of Becket", which most assuredly mak...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

ILLEGAL DECLARATIONS: No mention of religion, magic, superstition, or of supernatural powers in connection with combat is permitted. This does not prevent a proper respect for love, respect, or the loyalty of a combatant for a lord or lady, or any battle cry of the period before 1600. (Middle Kingd...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Your Grace: It seems that the best way to change CA to where it "makes more sense" as Sir Richard Blackmoore says, would be to make an overhaul on how armour is judged. Plate harnesses would have to be "proof" against most forms of archery, and (more importantly) such rules would have to be rigidly ...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Irish wrote:A fleet of foot sword and shield guy can kill 5 or 6 combat archers in that many seconds....

Dilan

...unless they're armed and are prepared to meet them--some combat archers ain't afeared of gettin' hit!

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Polarus: Should you opt for going with a later impression (as Muschijaeger suggests above), the kit would make you more in line for for a "Battle of Lake Peipus" type kit, suitable for the Crusades in eastern Europe and Russia against the Baltic pagans and Eastern Orthodox. This is in and of itself ...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Polarus: Another option to consider is to concentrate your money on purchase of a pot helm or round-top helm with a visor--maille can be added to the helm to simulate the "cap with a coif" effect. Much of the armour you wear from neck to knees can be hidden beneath a surcoat with elbow-length sleeve...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

TO THOSE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR "BY MY HAND" SPUN ALUMINUM ROUND SHIELDS:

I was visiting Captain Jamie last evening, and noticed that he had some spun rounds still in stock. It'd probably be a good idea for any of you who want one to drop him an e-mail (he subtly hints to Animal).

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Having just received my cervellier from Zanetto, I'm wanting to do the same thing. Is anyone willing to take the challenge of building a greathelm to fit?

Templar Bob/De Tyre

All: Does anyone know what the inscription on the brass strips of the Churburg segmented breastplate is? I'm looking for the information to replicate the Latin phrase on another piece of armour. As I recall, the phrase translates to, "Jesus, walking through the midst of them, went on his way" . Than...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I once saw a picture of you wearing a knee length suit of Lamillar Armour at an event in a gym. Do you have any pictures of that suit? You mean like the one below? http://home.armourarchive.org/members/de_tyre/TBobArmour/H12.jpg Other pictures can be found here . Also how well did it protect you (l...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Yes, and i'm looking for a picture of that bit of soft kit. The one piece of iconography I know of that shows the form of this hat is in a 14th century illumination in Renart de Nouvel , a satirical piece that makes fun of the Military orders. It depicts Renart the Fox, intervening in a debate betw...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

One of the reasons I stopped wearing Templar white (and went to sergeant's black) involved having SCA knights suggest that I was reaching above my station wearing what pertained to a knight. Telling them that I wasn't wearing any accoutrements pertaining to an SCA knight seemed to be immaterial--an...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I was researching crusader armor and I saw an old article written by the knowledgable Robert De Tyre where he described crusaders wearing a skull cap, or capot. I haven't been able to find any pictures of what one of these looks like. Can anyone oblige? The article you referenced referred to soft k...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

T-Bob, The problem with that, and it's an idea I love, is, in some kingdoms, a shield NOT controlled by the hand is considered armor and subject to be lost at the first strike. I was going for that plan until I found out the specifics. -M That's the beauty of having a hand grip that you can access ...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

NOTE: This is not written as a flame. It should not be taken in any way, shape, form or fashion as a flame, or a negative commentary on SCA knighthood. It is merely a description of my observations and experiences of having a military clerical portrayal. Nothing more. For many years in the SCA, I w...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I wonder why you cant have a sheild? That's stupid. Archers carried sheilds all the time, didnt they? What's the reasoning behind the SCA stipulation about no sheilds? I got this way cool Mongol bowcase thing I stitched up so that when the arrows run out or we go to close, I can sheathe the bow and...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I have four PIABs in the works:

Crossbowman of Outremer - 1250-1291
Knight of Outremer - 1204-1291
Templar Heavy Sergeant - 1150-1291
Turkish Mamluk of Egypt - 1187-1291

I will keep people posted on my progress.

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I will be patterning my new helmet liner out of some unbleached linen I have lying around the house. Should prove interesting.... Did you find some place to stay Tbob? Or are you still looking? -Randall Randall: Kevin and I are still looking for crash space. BTW, send me a PM...I have something to ...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

I will be patterning my new helmet liner out of some unbleached linen I have lying around the house. Should prove interesting....

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Alucard: I'm posting this because I think the board needs to move on from the previous thread you were involved in, and onto what you really came to the Archive to learn. What people here need to know is: ⋅ What time period are you interested in? ⋅ Do you want just basic "get me ...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Bedlam/Animal: Remember that most Islamic or Steppe sabers were re-hilted to suit later (re: Mamluk or Ottoman) masters tastes. Many a 10th century blade of the era is currently sporting 14th century sword furniture. The most popular blade (that runs concurrent with the saber) is the straight-bladed...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Duke Alaric: Give us that armour, my love.

Ugo: What for?

Duke Alaric: Because it's our birthday, and we wants it!

Templar Bob/De Tyre

It appears that I will be in attendance. However, Erik will not be able to make it. Bummer... I know... but hey, you all have me... that's something, no? See ya all next week. I will be out of town until Saturday morning. I wil not have access to any form of contact. Brian: My friend Kevin still wa...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Unfortunately, it looks as though I might not make it. Invitations have been extended on the east coast that I would be silly to turn down. I should have confirmation on whether I will be able to attend or not in the next couple of days. Hmmm...not good. Brian, could you pass along the Phrygian bow...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Is it currently? No. But then, how "period" can a black man get his hair to look? When I'm doing a Templar portrayal, I cut my hair rigorously short, or shave my head. I let my beard grow long and wild to match. When I'm doing the "other side" of the Crusades, I stick with the shaved head. Also help...

Templar Bob/De Tyre

Sir Gaston:

I'm interested in acquiring one of those kits. Please let me know if more are available.

Re: RE:

Dark lamellar pat????

RE: options...

A simple question on the Churburg Segmented Breastplate

Re: Question for Templar Bob

Re: Skullcap/Capot

AlucardThe Druid: What kind of armour do you want?