The Armour Archive

Karen Larsdatter

Mahault wrote:There are all sorts of illuminations, woodcuts etc that show people of both sexes bathing.

Some of them are at http://larsdatter.com/baths.htm too.

Karen Larsdatter

Tasha McG wrote:I know I've seen at least one or two illuminations clearly showing ring brooches in action this way, though for the life of me I can't recall where now.

It's discussed at http://www.greydragon.org/library/underwear3.html with a line drawing from the Luttrell Psalter; see http://www.imagesonline.bl.uk/results.asp?image=071862 for the original.

Karen Larsdatter

More short-sleeved doublets in an illustration of construction in the Chroniques du Hainault (sorry, KIKIRPA images apparently don't open in all browsers) -
http://www.kikirpa.be/www2/cgi-bin/wwwo ... &425140=on
http://www.kikirpa.be/www2/cgi-bin/wwwo ... &504205=on

Karen Larsdatter

She has an outfit with a similar shaped under dress and a sideless surcoat, but the dress has 'angel wings' and they are the target of much frustration and occasional hatred. She might find it easier to wear the sideless surcoat with a kirtle or cotehardie with fitted sleeves. See the examples at m...

Karen Larsdatter

I understand this is coming to Los Ageles after DC. I'm not sure ... I know the Luis Melendez exhibition will be at LACMA this autumn , but but the armor exhibit isn't on their schedule . (If it were going to Los Angeles, that's where I'd guess it'd be going; it's not on the schedule for the Getty ...

Karen Larsdatter

Do you have <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/190199239X?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=190199239X">Material Culture in London in an Age of Transititon: Tudor and Stuart Period Finds c. 1450-c. 1700 from Excavations at Rivers...

Karen Larsdatter

Tracy Justus wrote:ETA: Karen, are you familiar with this site? There are good details of some manuscripts that haven't been scanned for Mandragora.

Yep. I like http://classes.bnf.fr and http://expositions.bnf.fr too.

Karen Larsdatter

don wrote:I'm just throwing this out there.

Is it possible that the baggy braies are 13C and a more "fitted" style are typical of 14C?

Check out http://www.larsdatter.com/breeches.htm for the evolution of braies.

Karen Larsdatter

Hmm, I'm seeing a trend here- 3 executioners wearing separate / attached sleeves. Interesting. Fact or artistic convention? Coincedence, I think, rather than overall trend, and perhaps based on the illustrators/artists' observations of the clothing of butchers and/or executioners. Plenty of example...

Karen Larsdatter

Found another example:
http://www.bildindex.de/bilder/wrm_x1403149a.jpg
(The sleeve-covers are interesting. Probably useful, considering what he's doing.)

Karen Larsdatter

m I don't think that's the one, though. Am also looking through m -- since the images I was thinking of that matched that description were actually wine-pressing, not dyeing -- found a few, mostly from books of hours, including <a href="http://www.kikirpa.be/www2/cgi-bin/wwwopac.exe?DATABASE=foto2&a...

Karen Larsdatter

http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/ConsulterElem ... =1&Param=C is a later copy of that illustration, from a c. 1520-1530 manuscript of the Book of Simple Medicines (BNF Fr. 12322, fol. 121v), FWIW.

Karen Larsdatter

Ditto on the linen, though I've also found some good deals from Fabric.com on linen (especially when they offer coupons -- get on their mailing list). For fustian -- I've seen it online at PeriodFabric.com and Carolina Calicos ; Burnley and Trowbridge may have some, too, but I'm not seeing it in the...

Karen Larsdatter

I would dare speculate that the image Karen posted of King Dagobert, inspecting a church being built, shows some FAT (for those individuals on this board, who seem to not understand the human condition rarely changes) workmen, actually wearing pourpoints over doublets (they are sleevless, and colla...

Karen Larsdatter

BTW, Brent's late 15th century image is most likely depicting a doublet with pointed on sleeves, (sleeves taken off for labour) which appears by mid century in German sources (notoriously Talhoffer), and becomes more widespread by the end of the 15th century. Just quickly skimming through m - &sdot...

Karen Larsdatter

Got some more chairs & stools at http://larsdatter.com/chairs.htm and http://larsdatter.com/benches.htm -- and settles (basically benches with backs, although sometimes with a nifty reversable back on a swivel) at http://larsdatter.com/settles.htm too.

Karen Larsdatter

Steve -SoFC- wrote:This makes the braies constantly in a "wedge" action that wants to make them fall down.

Again, I think you'll want to point them to a doublet or pourpoint, instead of to your braies.

Karen Larsdatter

The exhibit would be a natural at the MET in New York, which has a least as large, if not larger collection of 15th century Flemish art, as Bruges. The Met is doing <a href="http://www.metmuseum.org/special/se_event.asp?OccurrenceId={288576D8-CAF2-4560-B690-9436DE2FA717}">The Art of Illumination: T...

Karen Larsdatter

That's what I thought, too ... (For those who aren't sure what exhibition we're talking about, see m -- or get yourself a copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801448530?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0801448530">Splendo...

Karen Larsdatter

http://larsdatter.com/hose.htm has some medieval images showing the loosed points on the back, as well as 14th century (and early 15th century) illustrations with the hose tied to the pourpoint/doublet (or related torso garment, whatever you call it)

Karen Larsdatter

I'm only a competent tailor so it can't be too complex. What would you say you'd feel capable doing? Embroidery? dagging? a buttoned cote? a fuller gown or sleeve? (Do you have a copy of <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0896762394?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=178...

Karen Larsdatter

I took the time to request an Abbeyhorn catalog, as it was suggested to me. They do in fact have lanthorn panels... lovely looking. They've even got a few nice photos that show the transparency of the horn, and the glow that it gives when illuminated. Unfortunately, at 3.11 pounds per square inch (...

Karen Larsdatter

I'm talking about a drink of leaves steeped in water and drank for pleasure (ie: the way we treat drink Lipton or Celestial Seasonings) The legal discussion is about how to prepare it on the Sabbath without breaking the laws of cooking. Well, good luck looking for that, then. The Talmud is pretty b...

Karen Larsdatter

Good Man of Paris discusses Sage tea, apparently when Europe started importing tea directly from China they sometimes traded sage for it, both sides thought they were getting a better deal. I've got my husband's copy of the Greco & Rose translation (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/080...

Karen Larsdatter

Jewish legal discussions cite to the Talmud in discussions pertaining to the brewing of tea. ... Anyone have any more on this? Yep. This is (probably) not the tea you are looking for. <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=AogMAAAAYAAJ&dq=talmud%20tea&pg=RA2-PA225&ci=136%2C1211%2C657...

Karen Larsdatter

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scot ... 124109.stm

Karen Larsdatter

http://www.larsdatter.com/painted-shields.htm

Karen Larsdatter

One of my undergrad professors, the late Dr. Valerie Logorio, used to say that the point of Patient Griselda - a story told over and over during the Middle Ages in various forms, was not that she let herself be a dishrag, but that NO ONE should let themselves be walked over that much. (She was much...

Karen Larsdatter

http://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Mittelalt ... s_Hausbuch

Karen Larsdatter

Have you considered mobile walls, as in the Wolfegg hausbuch, famous German encampment picture? Aforementioned picture is hither: m You can see the walls being moved in this picture: m I'm trying to think whether the encampment pictures in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0801448530?ie=UTF...

Karen Larsdatter

Is the Wolfegg Hausbuch available as a full facsimile? If so that would be excellent due to the variety of information held in it, not just the juicy arty bits in the published book. There's the exhibition book (<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/3791319914?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&...

Karen Larsdatter

Avitoria_vidua wrote:I did look through the links you shared, but i can't find the pane on historic enterprises site. I searched the internet, and the email list you mentioned... no luck yet. If anyone else finds them before i do, please let me know.

http://www.twojs.me.uk/HornItems.htm
http://www.candlemaker.org.uk/lanterns.htm

Karen Larsdatter

Does anyone(I'm thinking you Karen, O Goddess of the internet finds....) Have any info on how to make a horn pane for the earlier lanterns??? Well, for an invocation like that ... There's a bunch of links at m that'll help you. I'd especially recommend the Historic-HornAntlerBone mailing list , and...

Karen Larsdatter

I'll be posting pictures from my trip to the NGA during their spanish exhibit, whenever I manage to get my butt there. FWIW (for those whose butts won't get there) -- here's the website for The Art of Power: Royal Armor and Portraits from Imperial Spain , which opens on Sunday. (It'll be there thro...

Karen Larsdatter

Oh... and I almost forgot. Karen Lardatter is the one stop source for most enquiries like this on the web. And her links tend to be listed in chronological order (which cuts down on searching when you know the approximate period you're looking for info on): m thanks There's one on there that's from...

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