The Armour Archive

Karen Larsdatter

(Apologies in advance for the grumpy tone of this post. It's 3 AM here, and the poison ivy rash on my arms was keeping me awake. So now I'm down in my workroom, spreading my cantankerousness to the internet. Whee.) Wouldn't it be more historically & heraldically appropriate to use the "populace badg...

Karen Larsdatter

Can't think of any references (with dimensions) offhand, but you could try to come up with your own interpretation from period illustrations of costrels:
http://expositions.bnf.fr/gastro/grands/116.htm
http://gallica.bnf.fr/image?L=07827186&I=000001
http://www.wga.hu/html/g/goes/calvary/calvar11.html

Karen Larsdatter

Check out the links at http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=532

Karen Larsdatter

They're probably at the Mary Rose Museum.

Karen Larsdatter

Unless I miss my guess, I just found pretty good evidence for the use of linen as high-end outer garment material... http://www.photo.rmn.fr/c/htm/CSearchZ.aspx?o=&Total=500&FP=22187633&E=22S39UL3EHTN&SID=22S39UL3EHTN&New=T&Pic=116&SubE=2C6NU0V9IKDI Not that I'm trying to contradict the possibility...

Karen Larsdatter

You mean, like heralds' tabards?

Karen Larsdatter

To follow up on Gwen's posting (gosh, I kinda thought Sassetti looked tough with his shaved head) , there's certainly examples of hat removal as a sign of respect in period etiquette manuals : When you come before a lord, In hall, in bower, or at board, You must doff your cap or hood, Ere before him...

Karen Larsdatter

You can see some extant medieval banners at http://geocities.com/karen_larsdatter/banners.htm -- the Sable Rose Banners & Flags article also had pretty good information about what they actually did.

Karen Larsdatter

JoAnn's (and other craft stores of that ilk) will sometimes carry straw hats this time of year.

Karen Larsdatter

Good starting books:
RW Lightbown, Mediaeval European Jewellery
Egan & Pritchard, Dress Accessories 1150-1450 (one of the Museum of London books)

Some useful links:
Metalwork
(and more specifically, 14th Century Jewelry)

Karen Larsdatter

I remember a 15th century painting (Memling???) where a portmantau (for lack of a period word), or something exactly like it, is on the back of a saddle being ridden; this is the only (well, earliest and it is rare) illustration I've seen of baggage being carried on an animal at the same time it's ...

Karen Larsdatter

I'd guess that they'd wear a hood or a hat; f'r example, for all you can tell, the Moneylender and Philip the Good don't either of 'em have a full head a hair -- but there's some depictions of bald men who don't cover their heads (besides hermits, monks, etc.) ... Wool merchant, c. 1400 Jodocus Vyd ...

Karen Larsdatter

Thomas Powers wrote:Isn't parchment more of a rawhide based product than a tanned product?

You might want to check out http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... t&catid=83 for some links describing the parchment-making process.

Karen Larsdatter

Several recipes calling for roses in the Manual de mugeres en el qual se contienen muchas y diversas reÃƒÂ§eutas muy buenas , including recipes for rose-pillows, a toothache remedy, a mouthwash, a rose perfume in pellet form, and some scented waters; my translation of the Manual might help you. You ...

Karen Larsdatter

So do you think they are canvas or hardened leather? I think leather being they are solid/stiff looking and not folding over the fellows shoulder. La Belle Company uses similar leather cases for armor based of images and historical text. Based on color alone, I'd guess the sailors' gear-bags are le...

Karen Larsdatter

IIRC, Copergate had metal (iron) banded buckets in the medieval layers of the find. Some information about one of the metal-banded buckets from Coppergate: m On the other hand, here's a medieval barrel from Paul Street in Exeter: m But a more relevant wooden item for this conversation: a 15th centu...

Karen Larsdatter

Have you checked out the German section of the Medieval Names Archive ? There are a few lists of surnames there. The closest German men's given names I can find to "Blaz" is Blasius (see Medieval German Given Names from Silesia ). There's also Blesy (see German Names from 1495 ). Had some additional...

Karen Larsdatter

A man playing chess (fol. 16v) in the Book of Games of Alfonso X Chaucer in the Ellesmere manuscript , c. 1410 Neither of 'em are exactly the same, but then & again, it's not like Greenland was a trendsettingly fashionable capital of the western world back when the corpse wearing garment #63 was bu...

Karen Larsdatter

Hmm ... I'd either go for a locative surname with a French or Norman root, or perhaps a descriptive surname relating to a knightly characteristic or virtue; you'll find several possibilities at m Some French-based locative surnames in 15th century York : Egremond, Egremont, de Gervaux, Maundevyle, M...

Karen Larsdatter

Ok, some other surname possibilities (keeping it to English surnames around 1273) ...
le Cur 1212
Canis 1212
Doggenecce 1275 ('dog neck,' I think)
Doggeschanke 1246 ('dog leg')
Doggetayl 1279-80 ('dog tail')
Hondesfot 1279-80 ('hound's foot')
le Doge 1296

Karen Larsdatter

There's a surviving 14th c English felt hat at concealedgarments.org . Right now the site is down but from memory the hat is gray felt, round-crowned and narrow brimmed, and trimmed with silk. It is quite small. It's at m I think -- but there's a copy of the photo at m as well. (Not as broad-brimme...

Karen Larsdatter

I don't know whether black/brown felt hats would be historically accurate for the mid-14th century, other than perhaps for pilgrims , but straw hats do show up in 14th century illustrations -- most frequently on farmers, beggars, and other such unfortunates as must work outside for a living. (And pr...

Karen Larsdatter

Would strongly recommend that you read Reaney & Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames for more information on English surnames in general. They divide surname meanings into four categories: 1. Local Surnames, deriving from a place-name (where a person held land, or from where he had come). 2. Surn...

Karen Larsdatter

Several options (fulfilling the requirements in the top posting on this thread) to be found in the article "On Carrying Things: Packs, Baskets, Bags, and Bundles" in Dragon #11, starting on page 7 of that PDF.

Karen Larsdatter

Have you seen the nailsmiths in the Mendel Hausbuch?

Karen Larsdatter

http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... catid=1130

Karen Larsdatter

While it's not German, there is a dining scene in the Luttrell Psalter in which they seem to be using rectangular grey metal trenchers, about the size of the ones that Billy & Charlie and Handelsgillet sell. (I seem to recall seeing a medieval gilt-brass pitcher on eBay some time ago, which may also...

Karen Larsdatter

Maybe some of the links at http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=567 will help you?

Karen Larsdatter

Btw (well, I know Apollonia knows about this, but some other folks looking at this thread might not be) you can see some chronologically-organized links to period jewelry at http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=983 -- for jewelry organized by (mostly pre-12th century) culture, see http://moas.atlantia.sca.org/wsnlinks/i ... &catid=980

Karen Larsdatter

Okay, but what country (or countries) do you want to be from in 1273? Are you looking for a name? There are several resources at m that you might like -- specifically the resources at m -- and I'd recommend Reaney & Wilson's Dictionary of English Surnames for a last name. I'd be happy to help you fi...

Karen Larsdatter

Found some photos of a fencing doublet, c. 1580 ; it illustrates a similar "buttons and lacing" front of the doublets I'd described above, at least to about the sternum. (Note that the lacing here is done differently from the lacing in the other doublets; I'm not sure whether the Met displays it tha...

Karen Larsdatter

I just picked up Letters From The Mary Rose , and they have a reconstruction of a leather jerkin from the ship (p17) and it may be closed with buttons, do you know for sure? According to a webpage on The Mary Rose Museum's website : Twelve almost complete leather jerkins have been identified, with ...

Karen Larsdatter

Is there any evidence or examples of Elizabethan lace-up Doublets or Jerkins? Most seem to button in front, but there are a few examples of doublets with lacing down the center front -- though it looks a bit different than the "sneaker-lacing" on that photo. There are two examples from page 72 of J...

Karen Larsdatter

Has anyone run into a good resource that talks about how medieval folks (14th century) put colors together? I seem to recall something in Fashion in the Age of the Black Prince about color selection -- but maybe I'm just misremembering that. I think color choice is different now, maybe -- but not a...

Karen Larsdatter

apolloniavoss wrote:Karen has this one at scalinks.com http://web.archive.org/web/200302060341 ... eyned.html

That's 'cos I done thieved it from Clare's posting (above) ...

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