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by Karen Larsdatter
Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:30 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

Our barony's done a couple of pretty good demos focusing on a specific period (the ones that stick out in my memory most recently were on 16th century England, and/or the early English colonies in Virginia), and from what I saw, they looked pretty darned good. (Not having good 16th century duds at t...
by Karen Larsdatter
Wed Nov 18, 2009 10:02 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Laurels - Please post your work.
Replies: 50
Views: 3168

Charlotte J wrote:C'mon folks! Please post stuff!

Once I get a good photo of the cooks' livery from the Tournament of the Lily, I'll post it ... :)
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 4:43 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: How a Boy Shall be Dressed at his Ease
Replies: 16
Views: 742

Re: How a Boy Shall be Dressed at his Ease

Although, Piers Brent found me a fabulous (modernized) quote "Many children wear no shoes till they be at least 12 or 13 years old. Whose feet by long continuance of time be so hard that though they go over thorns, briars and sharp stones yet they feel no pain." SWEET! I should also note ...
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 3:33 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Forgive me for bragging . . .
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:Those are modern definitions, Karen.

On the other hand, I guess I'm exercising in futility, using the narrow heraldic definitions when the common perception of a "banner" is anything that flutters in the wind.


These aren't modern definitions, though:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med ... id=MED3577
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:56 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

And WTF is with the furry comics? Aren't we geeky enough as a group, without having to do anthropomorphic geek comics about our human geek hobby? Because there once was a funny anthropomorphic comic ("Warthaven," by Master William Blackfox) that used to appear in some kingdoms' newsletter...
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 2:49 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Forgive me for bragging . . .
Replies: 13
Views: 356

Donal Mac Ruiseart wrote:What banners? There are no banners in this thread.

Huh. The dictionary must be wrong again.
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 1:59 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

That's one of my pet peeves, actually. People who go around making up or over-enforcing rules. Oh, definitely. Like that whole "fighting surcoats with your heraldry here, your kingdom on this part, your barony on that flap," etc. -- see m and m for more historically-based alternatives. (O...
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 17, 2009 9:51 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Infant Clothes
Replies: 6
Views: 112

Naturally, Karen has a few good images linked: m Well, at this age & size, I'd recommend something along the lines of the little shirt depicted in the Durán Madonna -- make it bigger than she needs for now, of course, so she can wear it for longer. The slits at the neckline and lower hem are e...
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:07 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

K - different pet pieve: SCA - "aprentices" who are learning a different craft than their "masters". It's kind of hard to say whether I'm in this situation or not, because as far as I can tell, I got my Laurel for the general medieval material culture/research stuff that I do, a...
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 10, 2009 10:45 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Share your cool picture finds!
Replies: 6
Views: 456

Re: Share your cool picture finds!

I'd seen a couple of Karen's (blessed be she among researchers) posts linking to stuff on Kikirpa and wanted to tease out more. Hah! Well, there's lots of interesting bits, but they're not all labelled correctly. For example, It says this one was made in China! I'd love to be able to trace its jour...
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 09, 2009 10:24 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...
Replies: 16
Views: 681

Re: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...

The lady I'm thinking of was wearing a patterned dress, and the artist made a point of repeating the pattern above and below the band. I think 30v shows that fairly well (though they're guys), but further shows a style of fur streamer that appears sporadically through the garment in addition to the...
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 09, 2009 12:14 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...
Replies: 16
Views: 681

Re: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...

The one you're thinking about, with the dagging woven in, is probably a garter (p. 143 - Textiles and Clothing). That was it, yep. Robin's article that Karen cited above essentially suggests that the tippet or streamer is actually the end of a shorter sleeve worn over another garment with longer sl...
by Karen Larsdatter
Sun Nov 08, 2009 1:14 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

Ah well, live and learn. On the other hand, check out this illustration from <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0802096247?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=0802096247">The Opera of Bartolomeo Scappi</a>. (A lot of the illos ref...
by Karen Larsdatter
Sat Nov 07, 2009 11:18 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...
Replies: 16
Views: 681

I've seen a pretty good number of pictures that show these being worn by women, was it something men wore commonly too? I don't know about "commonly," but it's on fols. 16v , 18v , 91v , 92v , 161v , 163 , 164v , 169 , 173 , 175 , 366 , and 367 of the aforementioned BNF Fr. 1584. (Of cour...
by Karen Larsdatter
Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:27 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...
Replies: 16
Views: 681

Re: Long..umm wiell things... off the arm of a cotehardie...

See "The Tippet" in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1843831236?ie=UTF8&tag=suggestion-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=1843831236">Medieval Clothing and Textiles I</a>. (I'm not a big fan of using the word "tippet" to describe t...
by Karen Larsdatter
Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:09 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Delphin burgonet from Metropolitan Museum
Replies: 9
Views: 292

Cian of Storvik wrote:There are supposedly a couple of burgonets, but I think they are from the museum in spain as part of the Art of Power exhibit.

There's a similar one in there, but it's not the same:
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll29 ... elmet2.jpg
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll29 ... elmet1.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/8435962@N06/3343150452
by Karen Larsdatter
Sat Nov 07, 2009 10:53 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Share your cool picture finds!
Replies: 6
Views: 456

Re: Share your cool picture finds!

What neat stuff can you find there? Tons; I use Kikirpa for a lot of the stuff at www.larsdatter.com -- it's one of the dozen or so search engines I start firing up when I'm working on a new linkspage. You can also find nifty details from artwork, like this: m (from The Supper at Emmaus by Juan de ...
by Karen Larsdatter
Fri Nov 06, 2009 2:26 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Dress Diary: Elizabeth Woodville project (final pics)
Replies: 120
Views: 3802

First, there's my simple white 3.5 oz. linen shift. (Folded in half in this picture.) This has a very deep boat neck, tiny shoulder seams, and is made of two panels with skirt flare built in. This goes to mid-calf. The sleeves are tapered and skim my arms. Not tight, but not super-loose either. I u...
by Karen Larsdatter
Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:16 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

Charlotte J wrote:You mean the puppy belt? He told me at Pennsic that after he sells the ones that he has he's not making any more. I don't know about the buckle.

No, no, it was a few years ago -- he used to have a gallery of custom pieces on the previous iteration of the website, I remember seeing it there.
by Karen Larsdatter
Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:17 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Terms and modern historical “re-un-accuratesâ€
Replies: 525
Views: 13019

3-4 inch wide belts. and even wider. Is there ANY evidence for these? For women in the mid-to-late 15thc in Europe, fo' sho'. In fact, it's been a hard thing to find a repro belt buckle in the appropriately wide and shallow format that is seen in figural art on women wearing the v-necked dresses. S...
by Karen Larsdatter
Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:00 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Dress Diary: Elizabeth Woodville project (final pics)
Replies: 120
Views: 3802

Tasha K wrote:The problem is -- where is my fingerlooping CA?

:arrow: http://fingerloop.org :D
by Karen Larsdatter
Wed Nov 04, 2009 10:55 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Roman Persona in the SCA
Replies: 25
Views: 543

You seem to be missing my point. I am not arguing about when Rome actual fell (I know very well how vague and complex that time period is) - what I am pointing out is that "pre-17th century European Middle Ages and Renaissance" certainly does not ever mean anything that would be considere...
by Karen Larsdatter
Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:19 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Roman Persona in the SCA
Replies: 25
Views: 543

[quote="Corpora"]II. EVENTS

A. Society Events Defined

The term “Society eventâ€
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:31 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Looking for high-res picture.
Replies: 6
Views: 276

Re: Looking for high-res picture.

I think it's in the Mary Chapel (Marienkapelle) of the Cathedral of St. Ulrich and Afra in Augsburg. You could try to contact the cathedral staff.
by Karen Larsdatter
Tue Nov 03, 2009 10:38 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Help me find this beaker
Replies: 20
Views: 666

It depends on when and where John, Ditto on the above And of course, also depends on the craftsmanship involved in the specific piece; glassware may be widely available in one period & place, but a finer style or decoration (like, for example, gilding, diamond-point engraving, or enamel work ) ...
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:34 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: New Image Gallery; Leather Cases and Coffers
Replies: 26
Views: 396

Re: New Image Gallery; Leather Cases and Coffers

BTW -- the armor gallery reopened last week (just posted about it on my larsdatter.com blog ) and this new acquisition was also unveiled: http://www.philamuseum.org/image_bank/site_use/HorseArmor/HorseArmor-v7.jpg The Philadelphia Museum of Art celebrates the acquisition of an outstanding masterpiec...
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:19 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: Help me find this beaker
Replies: 20
Views: 666

FWIW, here's examples of the use of the term in Middle English:
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/m/mec/med ... s=15230211

(Will update http://larsdatter.com/feastgear4.htm shortly, thanks for letting me know!)
by Karen Larsdatter
Mon Nov 02, 2009 9:07 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: period ear plugs
Replies: 31
Views: 542

Signo wrote:... and didn't use forks.

http://larsdatter.com/cutlery.htm

No, I don't think they generally used hearing protection, either.
by Karen Larsdatter
Fri Oct 30, 2009 12:20 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: period ear plugs
Replies: 31
Views: 542

On the other hand, they may well have thought, "Gee, I used to think that this was really loud back when I was an apprentice, but now that I'm a master smith, I've gotten used to it. What was that you said, again?"

:lol:
by Karen Larsdatter
Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:51 am
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: The English Hennin Puzzle
Replies: 70
Views: 899

That panel cannot possibly date to the 1480's or 1490's, and dates instead to 1390-1430, given the clothing and hairstyles. It looks for all the world as Bohemian work, rather than English. Well, that's what the V&A seems to think ; it does seem to be consistent with their late 15th century Eng...
by Karen Larsdatter
Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:36 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: period ear plugs
Replies: 31
Views: 542

Found two interesting articles on this subject area at the Acoustical Society of America -- A history of hearing protection in the United States : During the late 1800s it was known that exposure to high sound levels could lead to permanent hearing loss. Although several U.S. patents were awarded fo...
by Karen Larsdatter
Fri Oct 30, 2009 1:14 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Women in combat
Replies: 33
Views: 1329

Re: Women in combat

If she hasn't already, she might want to link to http://www.larsdatter.com/women-in-armor.htm :D
by Karen Larsdatter
Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:44 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Costrel?
Replies: 14
Views: 479

I've noticed these necked & footed flasks in several images where they're placed in a tub (or sometimes in a body of water), presumably to cool the beverage. Here they are in that context in a few books of hours (most of these attributed to Simon Bening): m m m and also m from BNF Fr. 616, fol. ...