The Armour Archive

Asbjorn Johansen

Condtioning

You can use all the little mind tricks in the world, but the guy who looks out the window, see's it 95 degrees with 99% humidity and bright sunshine, and decides this is the best time to go for his daily run, he's the one wearing a bit armour won't bother.

Asbjorn Johansen

Just a note, last time I checked this was not an "official" tournament (this may have changed). It is not on the Pennsic shcedule. The SCA does not touch any of these funds. Its roughly the equivallent of a bunch of guys deciding to get together on the practice field and deciding to reward each othe...

Asbjorn Johansen

Im a bit confused by all this. So you are saying I will get tokens euqal to the value of a knight i.e. 10 coins representing actual u.s. currency? Which I can then turn in for legal tender cash? Is this some type of fund raiser? If not I see this as a bad idea and setting a bad precedent. The prece...

Asbjorn Johansen

The hard part is the prime days are so packed with fun things to do that something often has to overlap. I must drive the coordnator nuts because I have something going on every day and a whole list of "do not conflict" Plus I take over a list field. I've considered only running in the morning or ev...

Asbjorn Johansen

That is a good idea, and if the battle field layout is similar to past years they will be quite close, but IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢d hesitate to do if for a couple of reasons. First, while my lists are fairly simple, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve been told the Squire tourney can be quite a challenge to administer (as any large doub...

Asbjorn Johansen

I just noticed that the Plate and Mail is running up against the Known World Squires tourney. IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m thinking about moving the plate and mail times to earlier in the day, even though it will then be wrong in the schedule. Anyone have any thoughts on this? IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ve noticed the large number of ...

Asbjorn Johansen

It won't be on the official schedule, but as far a I know both the King of the East and Mid are participating, so its definitely happening.

Asbjorn Johansen

I was going to say that you have slimmed down quite a bit! Thanks, 2 /12 years of not being able to run due to ankle injury (that I got while training for sprint for the Woods flag at Pennsic), I finnally was able to strart piling on the miles again this spring. Of course a couple of weeks ago I ha...

Asbjorn Johansen

Yes. She skipped the one where I look like a pirate....Thank you Marcele I lost twenty pounds prior to fiiting to get to an "authentic" shape...before I trashed an ankle two weeks ago and went from 20 to 40 miles of running a week to no miles again...whine... and I was on track to have my 31 inch wa...

Asbjorn Johansen

Abjorn/Maeryk et al- Are you aware of any accounts that laud striking an unaware opponent? What was the context, revenge or honorable deeds of arms or something else? I would have to say that we can accept that vicious, backstabbing, horrific things were done on battlefields but that we don't need ...

Asbjorn Johansen

lets not pick the "realism" argument here. it does not apply to sca sport combat since there is very little realism, or realty, in its design. we still have the indestructable shield, the one handed sword that kills with a single hit, arrows that defeat everything, rules, touch kills, and simple to...

Asbjorn Johansen

Asbjorn: Give me evidience that striking from behind while on foot was not allowed in formal combats. I don't need to; it's not part of my argument . I contend that DKFB is inconsistent with medieval romance, not the historical practice. But does not using it deny us an essential understanding of w...

Asbjorn Johansen

The SCA rules of the list cannot be compared to actual combat of pre 1600 - - or any other time. Can it? We're re-creating, not re-enacting. The most striking difference to me (Pas) is that WE call the blows not judges. Correct, We are recreating combat from pre 1600, without a predetermined winner...

Asbjorn Johansen

D. Sebastian wrote:
DKFB denies both the killer and the victim this essential element of our gameplay.

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But does not using it deny us an essential understanding of what occured in pre 1600 combat?

Asbjorn Johansen

Maeryk: AS you turned (which is acknoledgement) and met their eyes (which is engagement) you get WHOMPED... According to the rule cited by Lothar, eye contact alone is insufficient to establish engagement. the difference being the folk in your camp are demanding ALL military combat in the SCA is to...

Asbjorn Johansen

Marshalls can be wrong, know the rules and talk about it with them afterwords (this is more directed at newibes then at you).

If you raised your weapon, then you probably were engaged, but if you just turned, then probably no given the way the rule is written.

Asbjorn Johansen

Maeryk, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not sure that given the description you provided, it was legal. Eye contact has occurred with your opponent and the opponent has acknowledged you as a threat by reacting to you in some way (examples of which include, but are not limited to: nodding at you, making a defensive react...

Asbjorn Johansen

Logan, Sarnac, Alaric (and I think Vitus chimed in on this one), If you are looking for favorable statements for declared death/capture from behind and on the ground (essentially whenever you could strike your opponent and they could not defend themselves), IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢ll give you a few. First, if it i...

Asbjorn Johansen

Asbjorn- What you are referencing was a Society level ruling that was designed to specifically address the issue of combatants acting like Goldilocks in regard to blow calibration ("that one is too light, that one is too hard"...and none of them being "just right"). As a rule it is narrowly written...

Asbjorn Johansen

IMHO, if its legal within the rules, its not unchivalrous. Just like taking arms or not giving up gained advantages in a list is not unchivalrous either. Same argument why I didn't agree with people giving you crap about your Crown finals. It is not against the rules to aim for the throat or groin ...

Asbjorn Johansen

But Owen, my opponent is also not allowed to hit me excessively hard either, but at least in the East the Kingdom EM has stated that a blow that is excessive, and therefore illegal, (by Society level rules no less) must be taken. The precedent would seem to indicate that a blow can be both good and ...

Asbjorn Johansen

Darn it I can't do it

Based on the accounts I have read, at this time, counted blows with telling shots (such as thrusts to an open faced helm as a loss) seems to be the most effective way to model a broad range of combats.

Asbjorn Johansen

Lots of interesting things in this thread.

General rules lawyer stuff.

Several folks have referenced the Ã¢â‚¬Å“engagement rulesÃ¢â‚¬Â

Asbjorn Johansen

While I think it is an improvement, at least in appearance, over kneeling, IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not sure its an improvement over kneeling with regard to historical practice. I canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t think of any accounts of formal combat in armour I have read where someone is able to stand but not move about. As often...

Asbjorn Johansen

I'm sorry if I offended you. That was not my intention. Actually, it wasn't my original intent to quote you at all, but rather the original poster. I do absolutely agree that it's an a-historic practice. You didn't offend me, I just wanted to check both our logic and make my original position more ...

Asbjorn Johansen

One of the joys of using the "standing leg wounds" rule is that we get to dispense with the extra rules that are required to make kneeling leg wounds acceptable, such as those dealing with cork scewing, not striking the legs, and no overrunning. All of this leads the problem that suddenly a guy wit...

Asbjorn Johansen

[quote="Maeryk"][quote]The safety issue has been brought up by a few people (IÃ¢â‚¬â„¢m not discussing whether fighting from your knees is unsafe, although that might be a topic for a different discussion, it is whether moving around on them in combat is unsafe). What is interesting to me ...

Asbjorn Johansen

SCA tradition to make an a-historic SCA practice more palatable. Asbjorn Just because you *can* doesn't mean you *should*. You'd talk to him about a repeated hit in the cup, throat or elbow, yes? Those are all legal targets. Okay, you've legged the guy. There's no reason to run a circle around him,...

Asbjorn Johansen

Bill,

I may be focusing on the big SCA Ã¢â‚¬Å“warsÃ¢â‚¬Â

Asbjorn Johansen

Just a note, it is not a Soceity level rule or East Kingdom rule (although it certainly is a social norm). Depending upon where you are from it may be in your kingdom rules.

Asbjorn Johansen

SCA tradition to make an a-historic SCA practice more palatable.

Asbjorn

Asbjorn Johansen

n general I think that SCA most combat cannot be said to be a recreation of any type of combat whether war or formal combat. That said Barker and Barber report several instances of formal combats around set pieces similar in concept at least to fighting on a bridge or castle (squires recreating the ...

Asbjorn Johansen

Based on the accounts I have read, I'd prefer a sides and top are proof rule against thrusts, but then you get into the discusion of what areas of the head the assumed armour covers. To me most of these discussions come down to the fact we don't tie particular instances of combat to a particular tim...

Asbjorn Johansen

Owen,

By the rules in the East and at Pennsic, a full power thrust to the head, anywhere other then the face, is a legal, telling blow. That said, few people play it that way. This discrepancy has been pointed out to the Kingdom EM and the marshallate of the East.

Asbjorn

Asbjorn Johansen

12 foot spears are legal in the East, just not common.

The East uses society minimum weapon and armour standards.

Pennsic Squires Tourney versus Plate and Mail.