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by jester
Tue Jun 08, 2004 12:47 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

What about the argument that the steel fighting you want already exists? Just not here? Go there. Or, well, a lot of peeps don't like it and don't want to see it here? Safe or not... just don't want to be associated with it? Why are the desires to have it more important than those that don't? Espec...
by jester
Tue Jun 08, 2004 9:11 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: painting a 14th century shield
Replies: 16
Views: 411

I don't have my notes available to me (and they were pretty sparse) but I seem to recall a glue/paint made from milk products. The recipe I saw (a modern equivalent, not billed as an accurate reproduction) used cottage cheese. The cottage cheese was drained in cheese-cloth and then spread thin on a ...
by jester
Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:47 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Who Best Represents the Kingdoms (SCA)?
Replies: 49
Views: 2115

Outlands:
Sir Kragon of Lands End
Duke Irel
Duke Olaf
THL Lycurgus
Sir Nasr
by jester
Tue Jun 08, 2004 8:23 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

Hi Richard. Your points are well made and I agree with you on most of them. If steel combat was treated in the same way as rattan combat then I agree that we would have serious problems. But the Sidesword experiment has managed a percussive steel program without serious injury for what? two years no...
by jester
Mon Jun 07, 2004 4:02 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Medieval Wine
Replies: 1
Views: 110

Medieval Wine

According to the online Medieval Gastronomy display at the Bibliotheque Nationale Francaise light white wines were the most desireable up until the last quarter of the 14th Century when reds began to become more popular. They don't quote sources. Does anybody have any info on this?
by jester
Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:00 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

I can't tell you the original reason for banning it. But the current reason to keep it banned for combat (note that under certain circumstances real swords can be used in a limited way for demonstrations - not combat) is safety. Period. I know enough people who were on the board over the years that...
by jester
Mon Jun 07, 2004 11:39 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Content vs. Appearances, thanks Chef
Replies: 4
Views: 280

Content vs. Appearances, thanks Chef

In the Material Culture of a 14th Century Esquire on Campaign thread, Chef de Chambre wrote: The thing to keep in mind is that in the Medieval mindset, the ceremony, and keeping up appearances is what is important. They took and used things 'in the field' we would never consider today - because thes...
by jester
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:12 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

We fight with rattan and not steel for the same reasons why we drive on the right side of the road: it was decided to do so a long time ago, everyone is used to it, and an entire culture is built around it. It would be near impossible to change everything now. Besides, it does work. This is an inte...
by jester
Mon Jun 07, 2004 10:03 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

Re: Why not in the SCA ?

simple, the sca is full force (well, in most kingdoms) non-choreographed fighting. if i hit you with a piece of steel as hard as i do with rattan you would break. the scas combat system is its own beast and can not be compared to anything else. i am more than happy to hit my friends as hard as i do...
by jester
Sat Jun 05, 2004 11:16 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Why not in the SCA ?
Replies: 84
Views: 1518

Here's my opinion on the subject: 1) Metal Weapons combat requires training. The SCA doesn't have a formal training program (although some Kingdoms and other groups do). We can have someone who walks in off the street in armor and on the practice field in under an hour. They can probably authorize a...
by jester
Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:06 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Late 14th Century Feast Gear
Replies: 4
Views: 223

Well, the stainless and the pewter, in my opinion, look substantially the same and the stainless is much cheaper. Consider the plain beaker - tumbler. Billy and Charlie want $45 for the plain beaker. I can buy stainless for $5 and flare the rim, if needed, with 2 minutes worth of hammering to produc...
by jester
Fri Jun 04, 2004 12:12 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Late 14th Century Feast Gear
Replies: 4
Views: 223

Late 14th Century Feast Gear

I've been focusing my research in this area for the past few days. My wife and I have been brainstormng ways to obtain durable feast gear that presents a reasonably medieval (1366AD) appearance. We're doing SCA, not living history, so we feel comfortable making compromises that living history folks ...
by jester
Fri Jun 04, 2004 8:51 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Flonzy, you are famous
Replies: 11
Views: 496

Three posts? Man, you are worked up about this. My point being that throwing paint balls is no more ridiculous than slapping someone with one. Heck, I've even thrown rocks at targets on the M-16 qualification range (which, by the way, the Drill Sergeants frown on, no matter what they might say durin...
by jester
Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:27 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Flonzy, you are famous
Replies: 11
Views: 496

Man, I can't decide if I should laugh or cry after seeing THAT... Ok, I made up my mind: BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You know..... I read a book once (my epitaph) back in the 80's by a couple of guys who claimed to have developed the sport of paintball. One of the anectdotes involved a guy who empt...
by jester
Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:08 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Rebated-Steel rules?
Replies: 9
Views: 212

knitebee wrote:http://www.ecs-imperial.org/documents/pdf/IManoC%205-0.PDF heres another set of rules for you.

Brian


Where do you guys get your swords?
by jester
Thu Jun 03, 2004 8:04 am
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Rebated-Steel rules?
Replies: 9
Views: 212

Hi First question, what period you looking to cover ? If it's Anglo-Saxon/Viking/Norman I can point you to a copy of the TO handbook used by the Vikings. m click on 'Guides' and read away. The handbook is a 500kb PDF so 'save as' There are also a number of small groups already fighting this way, sp...
by jester
Wed Jun 02, 2004 1:08 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Rebated-Steel rules?
Replies: 9
Views: 212

Rebated-Steel rules?

I'm looking for rebated-steel rules. Any suggestions?
by jester
Mon May 31, 2004 10:20 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: So what does it take to get 15th C. LH to thrive in the US?
Replies: 70
Views: 1326

I agree with Gwen that it's a lot easier to do 15th century LH in the U. S., chiefly due to the increase in sutlers (like Historic Enterprises) who are committed to making quality soft and hard kit. What I find myself wondering is if the "SCA standard" sometimes stymies the best efforts of such gro...
by jester
Thu May 27, 2004 2:47 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: [SCA] Halfswording
Replies: 12
Views: 294

To the best of my knowledge the SEM has not authorized half-swording, he has authorized the KEM's to allow experimental programs. Mind you, I could very well be wrong. Check with your KEM. The notice I saw was very broad. From the President's Notes on the January 24, 2004 BOD meeting: 4. Half Swordi...
by jester
Thu May 27, 2004 2:04 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Online fighting vids?
Replies: 7
Views: 366

Go to the Midrealm site. They have a link, somewhere in there, to Kith's website where there are a large number of heavy fighting videos.
by jester
Thu May 27, 2004 11:08 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: [SCA] Halfswording
Replies: 12
Views: 294

[SCA] Halfswording

So, the Marshal of the Society has said that Kingdoms may set up halfswording experiments and TI has published an article on halfswording for the SCA. Has anybody tried it?
by jester
Thu May 27, 2004 8:19 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: What weapon style do you enjoy the most?
Replies: 34
Views: 542

Any style while utilizing Fiore's material. Weapon disarms are simply too much fun. :)
by jester
Wed May 26, 2004 11:56 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Shields as weapons (SCA)
Replies: 82
Views: 1405

Animal, That is exactly what I am saying...if I build a shield out of rattan...or figure out a way to edge one with it,..can't I then strike with it? I think what makes most folks go "NO NO NO" is the thought of a shield as a WEAPON TO KILL WITH. Not really what I want to do, really does not make t...
by jester
Fri May 21, 2004 12:47 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Period?????
Replies: 137
Views: 2713

I often wonder about this myself. While I won't knock anyone for what they want to do, seeing Roman and Greek stuff on the field doesn't ring "medieval". Much like the many "Musketeers" on the other end. Personally, the SCA has too broad of a timeline. It's ashame we can't split the periods somewha...
by jester
Wed May 19, 2004 1:42 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: [SCA] Evil fighting group
Replies: 57
Views: 1681

Not to put too fine a point on things but...We all hit too hard at times. It's a result of several factors. Usually when we are excited, we tend to hit harder. If we have issues with the opponent we have drawn we tend to hit harder. If we have decided for some reason that we simply will not lose to...
by jester
Mon May 17, 2004 3:24 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: To the heavy fighters out there:
Replies: 37
Views: 1095

What do I want in a pas? Most of all I want context. I want a reason for beating someone with a stick that is different than "because" (although, let's be honest, 'because' is generally all the reason I need). I want something different than the marshal in charge reciting a bored litany of "You know...
by jester
Mon May 17, 2004 1:17 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: A dillettente's observations on the martial arts
Replies: 35
Views: 1029

Mind you, even then things can be chancy. Unless the martial art mirrors the conditions under which SCA combat occurs then you are going to end up doing some degree of modification. Basic principles are basic principles are basic principles. The real differences occur based on the weight each system...
by jester
Sat May 15, 2004 8:25 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: I.33 - the 5th ward
Replies: 6
Views: 139

It's a tail ward. See page 54 of the manuscript. The problem with the illustration on page 2, aside from the rip, is the artistic style in use. You can always see the face of the figures (I can almost hear the monks saying "You've got my face in the picture, right?") and the figures on pages 1 and 2...
by jester
Mon May 10, 2004 12:39 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sword and Buckler Interpretation - I.33
Replies: 36
Views: 656

He's right about the perspective thing. You can't rely on the distance depicted between the fighters because art of the time pretty much never shows distances between people and objects. Look at the paintings of tournaments where everyone is shown elbow to elbow... But if this is so can we rely on ...
by jester
Mon May 10, 2004 10:56 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: (SCA) Training while away from the Society
Replies: 21
Views: 470

Re: (SCA) Training while away from the Society

Greetings, Due to mundane restrictions, I have been unable to play on a regular basis over many years - to an extreme degree, but I digress. I am currently a deployed soldier in Iraq, and don't have access to armour, my swords, a pell, or any of the other useful tools for SCA combat training. I hav...
by jester
Fri May 07, 2004 2:12 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sword and Buckler Interpretation - I.33
Replies: 36
Views: 656

Give up? I'm too damn stupid/stubborn to give up. I've drafted 3 responses to Stephen's message, but they haven't stood up to examination. I'm a little cramped for time since I'm in training this week. Hard to break out the 8 references and formulate a coherent thought on 13th Century swordsmanship ...
by jester
Thu May 06, 2004 9:15 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Best Unit.
Replies: 73
Views: 1700

Pound for pound, Anglesey was and still is, the best melee unit in Atlantia. Well...when we're actually in Atlantia that is... That does bring up the question of how can Anglesey ever claim Atlantia? Are they not a mercenary unit, and therefor independant of any kingdom (by their own title)? Damnit...
by jester
Thu May 06, 2004 4:18 pm
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: I.33 - would you want to grab a live blade?
Replies: 23
Views: 418

can somebody post a link to a definition of halfswording, or post a definition thereof? regards, jonathan blackbow Ask and ye shall receive. Look in the current (Spring) issue of Tournaments Illuminated (the SCA's quarterly magazine) to see an article on half-swording written by Sir Rhys ap Harlech...
by jester
Thu May 06, 2004 11:52 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: SCA - On-the-field vs Off-the-field
Replies: 18
Views: 434

This is why, when I was a marshal, I started to get into the habit of asking the participants: "My Lords, are you satisfied with the conduct and resolution of this match?" If either one has a problem, now is the time to bring it up. After both parties are satisfied then I would announce the victor a...
by jester
Thu May 06, 2004 10:59 am
Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
Topic: Sword and Buckler Interpretation - I.33
Replies: 36
Views: 656

I'm having this discussion on the SwordForum as well. Stephen Hand just knocked my interpretation pretty seriously and he should know (he's one of the authors of Medieval Swordsmanship, which is an excellent interpretation of the I.33).

http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread ... adid=34156