The Armour Archive

Mike F

Wulfe: I understand. Now, let me show you my case. I'm going to e-mail Admiral Steel, and if they aren't open on Saturday, I'd like to get this all set by noon on Thursday. I extended the deadline expressly for Ugo, and called Admiral Steel at 4:57, and they closed at 5:00. I did, in fact, check the...

Mike F

Too late, man. Order went out at about 4:57 today. I'm just getting confirmation tomorrow.

Mike F

Do not, do not, <i>do NOT</i> try to heat-blacken the metal. Zinc is very reactive, but I usually see a white corrosion. My only notes on the corrosion of zinc is for a white fuzzy coating. This is the only non-commercial patina thing I've found, and it requires Cu2+ ions, so I doubt it's something ...

Mike F

Okay, the order will be finalized tomorrow, as their systems were down for the night. Decimals were: 20g - .035 18g - .050 16g - .060 14g - .075 Tomorrow, once we're sure it's all in stock, I'll get everyone the final numbers. The prices should be good, Thanks, everyone, this is stunning and I could...

Mike F

125 sheets (8.9#ea.) - 20ga = 1112.5#
84 sheets (16#ea.) - 18ga = 1344#
35 sheets (20#ea.) - 16ga = 700# - (Up to 5 sheets for me)
22 sheets (25#ea.) - 14ga = 550#

Placing order.

Mike F

For European armor. Japanese armor overlaps back on top of front.

Remember to take the overlap into account when you attach straps. I have a gorget which gaps because I didn't remember that. Basically, offset them away from the edge.

Mike F

Talked to Ugo and we're getting set up in that regard. We're still go for today. I've decided to head down with the Isuzu truck and pick it all up so we're not playing the idiot on their loading docks, so we'll throw it in the truck, go meet up someplace else and start shoveling the steel around. Al...

Mike F

Rob: I wanted to get it out the day after the MAG meeting, but I got sidetracked. With slight modifications: <B>EDITED</b> I forgot Wulfe's order change. 111 sheets (8.9#ea.) - 20ga = 987.9# 68 sheets (16#ea.) - 18ga = 1088# 18 sheets (20#ea.) - 16ga = 360# - (Back up to 4 sheets for me) 10 sheets (...

Mike F

Rob: Did you get that check for the $20 I owed you?

Also, the 22ga seems to have fallen by the wayside as one of the less popular gauges. Dunno if you can get enough people now, but seeing as how I'm contacting them in less than an hour, probably not a lot of time.

Mike F

94 sheets (8.9#ea.) - 20ga = 836.6# 63 sheets (16#ea.) - 18ga = 1008# 15 sheets (20#ea.) - 16ga = 300# - (Back up to 4 sheets for me) 9 sheets (25#ea.) - 14ga = 225# The prices may be a little higher, as thicknesses are based on decimal instead of gauge, but we'll figure that out tomorrow. 20ga: $1....

Mike F

Cat, if YOU don't need it, I'll buy it for what you paid for it, plus shipping.

Mike F

Wulfe's old tally: (for him, me, Gruber, Kiyohara, DukeAlaric and Jurgen) 82 sheets (8.9#ea.) - 20ga = 729.8# 56 sheets (16#ea.) - 18ga = 896# 5 sheets (20#ea.) - 16ga = 100# - (from Mike F only if 500# can be met) 5 sheets (25#ea.) - 14ga = 125# And JT and Raito, respectively. four (4) sheets of 20...

Mike F

They just got back to me. 2-3 working days to prep the order, $1.15 per pound (with the 15%) at 1,000 lbs. This means we save $50 on 1000 lbs. It's $50, but probably not something to bank on. It's rather nice, though.

Pickup is 8-8 M-F.

So next Wed. or Thurs. we'll pick up if we order Thursday.

Mike F

They ship 3 days ARO. I'm not sure if that's changed if we pick up, but I wouldn't bet on it. I'm just getting antsy. Of course, I'll probably have to go down alone unless someone happens to be off during the week. Don't know if I want to wait for the weekend.

Mike F

JT, I think you misunderstood. I already added the 15% on to those numbers. I appreciate it, though. Waaagh, believe me, if I had $1000 . . . If you want to help haul stuff for people, that'd be great. We can work that out. Alaric: That's why I like Thursday. That way the order will at least get pro...

Mike F

And this had better not affect us before the order goes through.

http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=503848

Mike F

Well, after some thinking and a suggestion to do so, I'm gonna put a deadline in. I really, REALLY want to get this organized so I can have steel for my break next week. I'm going to e-mail Admiral Steel, and if they aren't open on Saturday, I'd like to get this all set by noon on Thursday. I can fr...

Mike F

I will not be content until half of this thread is me bumping!

Mike F

All else being equal, Ti doesn't form well. It also is expensive and relatively soft to impacts. I just feel it's the same as plastic. If it's hidden or looks like steel, then it's great for LARP or SCA stuff. I'm an officer in the SCA and do enjoy it, but, as I said, I try to be more authentic in m...

Mike F

Wolf: So THAT's why my paladin keeps breaking his leg! Oh, sorry. LoL, It SuXxOrS 2 b . . .. I can't do it, I just can't. 733t speak makes baby Grammar cry. I got back into Diablo 2 a while back when I got bored, so it's odd you say that. To the topic at hand, I was under the impession that the Engl...

Mike F

No, spring steel would be nice for modern strength/weight ratios. It's more authentic than titanium or stainless steel. If you're talking ferrous metals, you're looking at wrought bloomery iron which may or may not have a case or bands of carbon for hardening. Bloomery iron isn't exactly common nowa...

Mike F

I wouldn't buy any, but I'd suggest spring steel. It's lightweight, stiff, yet it has enough mass to slow an impact (for the SCA et. al)

I'm just on an authenticity kick lately, don't mind me.

Mike F

We'll take a look at the load when we're a little closer to the complete order. Well, I'd happily cover a beer for anyone with a truck. If it comes down to it, I can see if I can borrow my friend's turbodiesel super-duty. Or, if it gets too much for that, I can get a 14,000lb Isuzu box truck for $90...

Mike F

She didn't mention a break at 1000 lbs, but I'll ask when I e-mail next. It's possible Raito or Ugo or JT will want enough to put us over, anyway.

Mike F

In case anyone wants more information on how this steel reacts, visit http://www.eskimo.com/~cwn/hardening.html and see Sinric's comparison charts. 16ga, for example, can react like 12ga all the way to 7ga! 14, being the beast it is, can act like 10-5ga, that's almost like a quarter inch of steel! I...

Mike F

We currently have hit the 500# mark for 18g and 20g. I'll happly pick up 100# of 16ga myself if we hit 500# total with it, otherwise that cash is going towards 18 and 20. I've got all the numbers Wulfe had, and 3 sheets 20g for Jurgen. I'm waiting on Raito and to see if Guillaume and Ugo want some a...

Mike F

George: I appreciate your position. I'm spending about $33,000 a year + where I'm going, and I think is this certainly a fair price. I don't want to see the ARS crippled because they decided to cut what they give us so more people can afford to go. If they could afford to charge $50 less a head by n...

Mike F

I'll get a total list later. You won't beat these prices. (TM)

Mike F

I think he means sword furniture like hilts and pommels.

To be honest, I don't remember how big it is, and it's buried right now. I think I started with approx. 12" of 1/4" bar stock, though.

Mike F

Twisted S-hooks for hanging plants and lamps would be pretty neat. I made one myself and really love it.

Mike F

Apart from the legal implications, may I point out something? I'm a professional. I don't make my living off of armoring, but I do plan on making a nice little business out of it, and I am also planning on publishing (through the ARS, most likely) any research I do. Research takes time, time is mone...

Mike F

I know I'm getting a LOT more than I thought at these prices.

Guillaume, I talekd to the Post Office and they say we should be good, so order away.

Mike F

Interlibrary loan. I forgot about that! Thanks.

Mike F

Guillaume, talk to your post office. They prohibit "Commercial tags of metal." which may or may not apply to this. $68 for air mail and $40 for ground, however, I wasn't able to input a box size, but it can always be cut down to what you need. Alright, everyone, you want more steel. No, really, you ...

Mike F

The price breaks are per thickness, so we'd been 500# of, say, 20ga alone.

I don't think we'll have any trouble breaking 200#, though.

subtract 3 - 18ga and add 6 - 20ga