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- Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:41 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
My judgement, for what it's worth (which is very little), is that LH groups aren't better, just different. They offer an interesting point of view; I 'm never one to miss a chance to learn and exchange information. Mord. --I disagree Mord LH groups are better because they are different. You wont se...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:31 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
Halv, I am sorry that I hurt you with my post: that was not my intention. I am truely sorry. James and Glen, Yes, I did bring up the Pennsic and the SCA--my point was this: given a choice between having a tent and getting soaked in a deluge (which is what happened on friday night of the last week) I...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 12:13 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
Mord, Before I go forward with you in this discussion, I have to ask a question I'm sure you will call intolerant and elitist, but nevertheless it is a legitimate question: What is your experience, training, and research into living history, vis a vis What It Is, what it is used for, how it is done...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 11:41 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
You folks make very fine objects from very specific moments in historyu (sometimes tents, sometimes ships, sometimes shoes), but I really wonder if any of are thinking about why the object is important in the first place. Mord. --Mord Take a step back and think about what your saying Your last stat...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:25 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
Mord why are you taking such offense? Glen is right we use tents too much. His point is correct, LH people should try going without the tent for the understanding, suck it up and try it out is a good valid point why get pissed? Why is it anyone challenges convention here you get pissed off? Is it t...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:57 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
So, tell me, Glen, were you at last years Pennsic. One part of the second week it got down to 45 degrees at night. Then it rained. And rained. And rained. Tents were flooded. Roads were flooded. Entire camp sites were flooded. I'm surprised no one got really sick with all the cold and the rain. I g...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:51 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Tents in medieval LH (split from 'Viking reenactor beliefs')
- Replies: 94
- Views: 1134
Akmatov, I happily concede the point that medieval armies lost quite a few men, indirectly, to exposure etc. But in your argument I see one of the excuses/traps set by many to avoid having to camp in a more authentic manner: "exposure is dangerous, and could kill us like it did them, so for safety ...
- Thu Feb 17, 2005 8:46 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Fighting fatigue
- Replies: 24
- Views: 389
What and when do you have lunch? Do you have lunch? Drink fluids--nothing too sugary (soda is out). Eat a high starch (pasta, a bagel) Eat a banana (full of potassium--it will replenish your electrolites) One and Half hours to one hour before fighting, drink orange or grape-fruit juice (I avoid spor...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 3:50 pm
- Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
- Topic: car door edging - to - shield edging?
- Replies: 18
- Views: 263
Yes, it works extremely well if you glue it down. I don't know where Duchess Elina found it but the stuff we used is black nylon door edging that fit perfectly over the edges of a Sir Thorfinn-model street sign shield. It's not plastic, it's nylon. Hope this helps, K I have heard that this edging i...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:26 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Documentable
- Replies: 10
- Views: 188
Ok, I agree that museums and their holdings are vital--especially for the sake of perservation. And yes, I agree that not all musuem holdings are from archaeological digs. But, as I stated, I would still want to know the provenance (a very fancy word that I try to avoid) of any source. Also, museums...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 2:14 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Documentable
- Replies: 10
- Views: 188
Mord, my friend, you left out a major source of information: Museums and their holdings. As I have come to find out that is a drasticly different world than the historical method. While some of the things in museums have been dug up, much has not. Museums attempt to identify and record the history ...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 11:34 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Documentable
- Replies: 10
- Views: 188
For me, the archeological record is the first place I look. Has one been found, and if so what did it look like and how was it constructed. If the archeological record is quite on the issue or inconclusive, then I look at the artistic record. Occasionally, a rare item will show up on the artistic r...
- Wed Feb 16, 2005 9:33 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Documentable
- Replies: 10
- Views: 188
Documentation depends upon what you are trying to document. This annoyingly vague answer may seem hopelessly abstract in the area of making things. But those things can vary from clothes, to furniture, to songs, to armor, to tents. Begin by asking yourself, what is it I want? For instance, if I want...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:52 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
*** I agree Tom. Since we have found Viking terds, but not tiolet paper, we must not wipe our asses at events. Huh ? You mean you don't use moss ? I thought you guys were serious about this ............... I know, I've read Christensen's book with the note about moss. Oy. I am not that serious...an...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 4:23 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Tom's question is correct: how many Byzantine objects are found in Scandinavian graves of the Viking Age? That should forge a direct link between Byzantium and Scandinavia. But OY what a question! Good God! This is the work of year, if not lives, Tom. In one example alone--a famous example--I will s...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 3:19 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: SCA Viking helmet
- Replies: 13
- Views: 416
I too have seen a few of those terms used to label the time frame...I just always figured "migration" was the generalized acceptable term. I've wondered though, why was "merovingian" used? Same with Carolingian when regarding the Franks and Charlemagne, though that one was explained to me by Dan Ho...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 1:57 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: SCA Viking helmet
- Replies: 13
- Views: 416
I thought Migration Period was the catch all for everything after the collapse of the Roman empire on up to the viking age. Thats how I've always understood it. I didnt know there was so much difference in the classifications. When reading about the Migration period, that's where I encounter Vendel...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 11:32 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Josh and Mord are correct The stave armour reconstruction is now commonly held to be a set of greaves and a single vambrace. (interesting tidbit, the greaves arent a matching set, one is much 'newer' than the other and the workmanship is a bit more shoddy. Some suggest this means it was hastily mad...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 9:47 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: SCA Viking helmet
- Replies: 13
- Views: 416
Hrm...good point...my bad...I was taking into account more the decoration rather than construction. I posted something on Arador the other day regarding how the earlier Migration armour seems much more fancy and intricate than later period armour...the Sutton Hoo, Valsgarde, Vendel etc etc armour i...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:10 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
We can reduce the lamellar question even further if it helps: exactly why do Norse re-enactors and/or recreationists even want to wear lamellar armour when we know that chainmail armours are much more prevalent? Is it just for SCA combat reasons? Is it that lamellar costs less than chainmail? Does ...
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:59 am
- Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
- Topic: Helmets Available Now.
- Replies: 10
- Views: 1009
- Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:53 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: SCA Viking helmet
- Replies: 13
- Views: 416
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:49 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Plastic Sassinid :)
- Replies: 14
- Views: 430
I went for black. I argue with myself about the color: black, silver, pewter, or copper. Since I could really document bronze plates to the period, I rejected copper. I thought I should get pewter, but I saw someone at an event who had the pewter, and it just looked like gray plastic. Silver looked ...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 4:33 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
So, what is the state of the current opion on what would have been worn at the Viking courts of Dublin or Yorvic? If I remember correctly (and I apologize for not having good citations here), Jorvik and Dublin (Woodquay) were not grave digs but site or settlement digs. Probably not a lot of textile...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:08 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Celtic Art is not Period!
- Replies: 114
- Views: 2471
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 3:01 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Plastic Sassinid :)
- Replies: 14
- Views: 430
I am just putting together my Noble Plastic plates. Service is really great with those folks--order the plates online Sunday, got them on Thursday. I argued between the Auk plate and the Newcastle. I got the Newcastle. So far things are going very well; construction is easy (I'm a klutz). Unlike man...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 2:10 pm
- Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
- Topic: Full set of SCA heavy Armor available
- Replies: 9
- Views: 497
Re: Full set of SCA heavy Armor available
8) Hello friends and fighters. I have recently hurt my arm and decided to switch to fencing from heavy fighting. I have a full set of armor available and I live in the Philadelphia area. I have a full breatplate in great condition from Ice Falcon. A black helm with partial chain guard. Leather arms...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:13 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Celtic Art is not Period!
- Replies: 114
- Views: 2471
With me, it's not so much it's "boring and cliche" but because it is so dang overdone on alot of everything. Armour, costumes, hilts, tattoos et.c. I had a pair of Insular Jellinge armbands adapted/intertwined from the Skara Brae Penannular terminals tattooed as black&grey "stonework" around my upp...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 12:09 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Rally call for all vikings!
- Replies: 3
- Views: 143
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:58 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Kindly read your first paragraph of your first post, Guthroth. Your archaeologist friend seems to have a lot to say. But who this person? In fact, your first post doesn't quote or name any sources that anybody can use. The only folks you do quote are on this list. In short, you don't document your ...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:33 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Hi The are covered by this thread is probably big enough to warrant several different ones, but here's my opinion. [*]LAMELLAR- Lamellar is out. There's no solid evidence of it's use by Norse during the period. Can't argue with that one. The finds from Birka are very interesting but according to an...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 10:31 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
For someone who likes to slam the SCA for being inauthentic, I have noticed that you lack a certain amount of documentation. I'm willing to believe you, but I can't. What are your sources? Where do we find them? What is the speciality of your archaeologist friend--and what is this persons name? The...
- Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:06 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Just want to say that one of the things i was tought in university is that becouse somthing can not be proven with solid archelogical evedance, dosnt mean it is any less possible or fesable. Hi your comment is true, but within mainstream re-enactment - as opposed to the SCA - re-enactors are expect...
- Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:36 pm
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Re-examining Modern Viking Reenactor Beliefs
- Replies: 326
- Views: 12738
Finally remembered the book that had viking age chains in it: Hardh, Birgitta. "Wikingerzeitliche Depotfunde as Sudschweden." 1976. OCLC#: 3725661 Held by: UCLA, UC Berkley, Univ of Chicago, Univ of Kansas, Unvi of Eastern Michigan, Univ of Minnesota, Univ of Missouri, Duke Univ, Princeton Univ, Cor...
- Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:41 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Anders shaped hole in the Oseberg ship....
- Replies: 12
- Views: 318
