The Armour Archive

earnest carruthers

on a technical note the grass green wouldn't last (has no covering power) and it is the madder roots which yield the colour but is not dense enough for your purposes, it was also grown in Europe, widely. But I can offer a more realistic version with the same colour scheme, green - verdigris - common...

earnest carruthers

yes. not shellac though as it appears to be a later import from the far east. But linseed oil boiled with pine resin at varying proportions are well recorded. Other resins too as long as they are oil based (generally speaking). Other oils can be used too as long as they are drying oils, eg walnut. C...

earnest carruthers

I suggest looking up the word 'kirtle' in the ME dictionary, will be enlightening for all, wont make the issue easier though, but adds to the mix.

earnest carruthers

Yep, London import list for 1480 for ex talk about mail voiders etc.

Some references elsewhere to mail breeches, 15thC ME dictionary.

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gdl

"what's the difference between a coat and a jacket? "

exactly mon brave.

french and german iirc

earnest carruthers

Call me mad. "No a fair comparison, muster rolls give us a clear view of demographic use because we know what men were issued or brought to a battle to wear. Wills donÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t tell us a woman wore a sleeve style more commonly." Q: How do you know those muster rolls exist and how do you know they co...

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Jeff "'m positive she would have reacted competely differently, but that is not an issue, here. " GB "had she posted up anything like this thesis I guarantee you she would have had the same response, oh and had she reacted as you had again the same responses." was what I said but it seems unclear to...

earnest carruthers

Jeff You carry on attacking people because all that will prove is you are unable to defend your (the thesis') position without getting personal. I could easily have read your list tagged onto my quote as being sarcastic 'go on then' but I refrained as I am not so stupid as to claim the ability to re...

earnest carruthers

There you go Jeff, not too hard was it? That way you get at least some information as to the initial premise. I shall pass this on to our gals. May I suggest asking what the wearers of pin ons used them for, fashion or work, eg of work. That might give an idea as to the wearer's perception on what t...

earnest carruthers

common where? in paintings or real life? Common in terms of paintings is mere counting appearances Common in terms of actual use is far less simplistic. How common is 15thC English stained glass? How common are 15thC visual references for England? which type of common are you getting at?

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James "What I am saying is what if pin on sleeves changed from a not so common thing to a common thing from 1471 to 1515." Only by referrring to images do you make that assumption, it is not enough. Also I only put up images from a single source from 1515 - Simon Benig, I have no real interest in th...

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Jeff "If, as Chef says, women's fashions in certain areas changes slowly in this aspect, then the same result is also likely until 1515. The core premise that pin-on sleeves aren't common in the late 15th C. is still valid. " Only on the basis of comparing what female reenactors are supposed to be w...

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James "I see major fashion changes about 1450 and again about 1490. You are also talking about a 30 time frame with ours in the middle and a 45 year time frame starting 10 years after ours. So your art is 55 years after our time frame. 15 years up our down is not as distant as 55 years after." But b...

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Jeff J. "She used all she could find within the sources she had available. She included every image she found. Feel free to provide more. You are being deliberately insulting by saying she did not include images in her survey if they do not suit her theory. This is unacceptable behaviour on your par...

earnest carruthers

"In some ways, a comparison cannot be drawn. It's not as clear as you're making it sound" But you have managed to provide percentages, figures, ostensibly facts relating to what should and shouldn't be. I gave a sample figure that at least gave a social break down for one place which attempted to il...

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To add to what David said as a general thing about the in pin on also there is the distinct possibility that some can be pinned over gown sleeves too. We are under the impression that the climate dictates the amount of clothing and specifically the pin on or not, however check out the Bening winter ...

earnest carruthers

That is recommendation indeed.

Nothing worse than a maker who doesn't communicate esp with thigns liek clothing.

earnest carruthers

Re Social demographics Hanawalt in The Ties that Bound talks about a poll tax return of 1381 for a Suffolk village in which the job/social demographic went something like this: Servants 40% labourers 39% craftsmen and tradesmen 14% cultivators 7% gentry 1% The section is actually about servants/exte...

earnest carruthers

JM "Look into Michael Prestwich, "Armies and Warfare in the Middle Ages: The English Experience" for some details on how costly and unwieldly it was to try and maintan large bodies of infantry in the high middle ages." which ties in with why the idea of a standing, ie trained army was pretty much an...

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Tasha I used to be one of those seekers of absolute truth and then the brick wall of reality hit me, there are none, or at least not the ones we think there should be. We live in quite a regimented world, we class things by type and size and scale, we standardise everything. Sadly we impose that kin...

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Klaus well put. The problem that reenactors in general have is an inability to accept that medeival terminology is vague and variable. we as people who want to know truths, ie absolutes tend to define things too specifically. You rightly place your description on it from the most immediate part, tha...

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I understand your aim, however there are a few things to consider when comparing say art in the 1470s and the 1500s - ignoring the fashions for a moment - is that there is an increased tendency to realism the later you go. Moreover in the bening examples the subjects are identical to the Tres Riche ...

earnest carruthers

"The buttons are not stuffed to rigidity but are semi-squishy (think of a slightly firm hacky sack) and it's actually quite the opposite effect of what you describe- the squishiness helps them fit through buttonholes quite well, then lets them expand to the right shape once they're through." yep, Mo...

earnest carruthers

Cylons meets the Conquistadors?

bit of a mish mash really

earnest carruthers

You might also be interested in these Simon Bening images, circa 1515 - From the Da Costa Hours. I should think they are valid as the thesis includes the SAC (and its extended 'period) and is also showing progression of fashion or arguably a continued use not too far from the 15thC also all women at...

earnest carruthers

"I decided not to pursue them, because in the end, I determined it didn't change my thesis any. " I think you will find it might if you are trying to use the numbers in art as reflections of real usage. If your thesis is merely about saying that in art pinned on sleeves are not that well represented...

earnest carruthers

Jeff J The structure of the current forum UK based (but in effect international) is based on this one and firestryker in terms of structure. There was a bit of lobbying to bring the old forum up to speed. But yes it is reenactment/livinghistory rather than say SCA etc but then as with most things th...

earnest carruthers

Interesting stuff. Does the ratio of normal women to special/marys etc represented in art reflect an accepted demographic? I ask because if we accept a nominal 1: 10 rich to poor (special to normal) in a population then if that is reflected in art then the numbers of pinned on sleeves (or anything c...

earnest carruthers

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earnest carruthers

Question from a non-horsey but has been 'charged at' whilst formed in a pike block. Were horses trained to actually charge what might appear to be a solid obstacle (ie formed infantry) with depth, breadth and height given that they may well impale themselves and rider.? Sorry if it sounds dense but ...

earnest carruthers

Karen the 'build a 15thC pavilion' is very interesting and sensible, excellent.

Will squawk later via pm.

earnest carruthers

Ditto Chef 'light' armour.

FWIW Batavian, you may not need a full mail shirt if you are using an arming doublet underneath, then you use voiders on the voidy bits.

Chef?

earnest carruthers

Glen thanks for taking the time to respond. re the 'what ifs?' assume in historical clothing. The reason I asked what if "i was an armourer etc" was because I was taking the examples of suggested expertise and inexpertise literally. It seemed to suggest that knowing about military things separated i...

earnest carruthers

see pm

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earnest carruthers

Great Glen. You have a number of definitions, some more specific, some more general than others. Which is the point really, you have not provided a single definitive description. They all allude to aims and objectives and in some cases easily applied to 'lesser' reenactment, you even comment on them...

nice piece of work