The Armour Archive

RenJunkie

Sweet. Dreadfully curious about that as my wife and middle stepson are allergic to nearly every metal but gold and silver. Leather buckles for belts would be a real help. The boy just refuses to wear something he's gotta tie ("I don't wanna look like a hobo! Can't you just tape it together?&quo...

RenJunkie

Rolled buckles? What's them?

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Christopher

RenJunkie

As an SCA cheat for the style of bascinet/visor combo Eadric's using, could you just hang maille off of a visored sugarloaf? Under the visor, I mean.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Spiff.

Christopher

RenJunkie

Yeah, pic 2 looks like it's gonna happen nicely. that's what makes me nuts about leather. I can never tell how it's gonna turn out while I'm in process.

What tool are you doing the background with?

Christopher

RenJunkie

I kinda dig that purple. It's a killer first time job. I'd love for all my first attempts to come out that good. And for some things, my 8th or 9th attempt (friggin leather 2-piece helms). Did you use a rivet set on those, or did you just smack em with a hammer? They look flatter than a rivet set, b...

RenJunkie

How about books with a focus more specifically on the HRE in the 14thC? I know some of the Osprey books handle some of it, but what about material culture? Economics? Effects of the Black Death? The hey day of Prague? Etc, etc...

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Ah, thanks for clearing that up, William. makes a lot more sense to my ears now.

Well eyes...you know..

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Actually, Milos, it's kinda helpful. I can't tell by looking exactly how tight the weave is (no eye for textiles), but the 18.5 oz looks tight-ish and heavy. So unless anyone has any good reasons not to get the 18.5 oz canvas from hemptraders, that's what it's gonna be. Anyone know of a good reason ...

RenJunkie

Car boots? Not familiar with that. Also, what is an abottoir?

And what are the Ameerican equivalents?

I think boiling the core out is a bit further than I'm wiling to go. Have to get it after that step...lol.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Considering that I'm not going to need crap-tons of canvas, and that it is loaner armour (read gonna get hit a LOT), the strength is more inmportant than the cost (which is gonna come out maybe a $15 difference from the least to most expensive). But I don't want it to get so heavy that it hinders mo...

RenJunkie

What weight for a hemp canvas CoP shell?

I'm going 2 layers thick (unless yall think I need more). It will be holding steel plates, not plastic ones.

I'm going thru hemptraders.com unless you guys know of a better outlet.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Good God, man!

We need more! More, I say!

Christopher

RenJunkie

Ba-Bump!

Anyone else care to weigh in on this?

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Christopher

RenJunkie

About what decade of the 14thC do we see splinted limbs starting to happen in the HRE? WHen did it become its most common?

Any evidence is good, it doesn't have to be imagery. It can be in rolls, will, etc, if it's definitely the type we call splinted.

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CHristopher

RenJunkie

Maybe we have different ideas of cheap. Or maybe you just know where to get it cheap. If you do, please share with the group. Still would like to know about plastic, regardless of oil. Just in case cheap is terribly subjective, and the difficulty of working the real stuff is too much for my particul...

RenJunkie

You know, after looking at this again, with a little length tweeking you may be able to get a passable celata out this as well. Maybe even SCA legal.

Christopher

RenJunkie

Somewhere deep withing the recesses of threads long past, there was a link to a study by a physicist. The numbers actually say a spear (actually I think an atlatl) was really more effective on impat than a bullet. A bullet moves very fast, so it has lethal power. The spear, tho much slower has much ...

RenJunkie

for those of us who might find the cost of real horn very prohibitive, what plastics would act about the same?

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Nice work.

Says a lot about it that Chef was asking about a non-SCA version.

Hot piece.

How much for that in the non-removable grill and stuff?

And can't wait to see the shorter version.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Well, if I buy metal, then I'm not cutting anything out. Hoping to get a kit with all the shaping done. I have a tool set from hal, but it's for my leather, so if I use it on metal, I gotta get the mirror polish put back on, and all kinds of stuff. So I'm a little limited on my metal pounding. If I ...

RenJunkie

Daniel, you kick ASS! Thanks so much for the sketch of the Blair reference. That clears it up totally for me. Adam, are you referring to the one in TOMAR? The one he says is 1420's and has the scale skirt? I've always wonered if that's really what I was seeing. One of our Shirelings over at UVA has ...

RenJunkie

So, basically, sort of a standard early elbow cop with little baby wings (maybe like on the knee in the Alexander pic), that looks welded to the vambrace?

Oh, if anyone can whip out a sketch of this, so I can see how it really differs from a bazu, Id appreciate it.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Ok, I get to make loaner armour for the Shire. We've got skinny loaner stuff, so this is for us guys who may have a larger waitline than chest measurement (I'm workin' on it!). Anyway, which style would be better for a wider range of guys; The Wisby # 1-ish with a lot of segmented front plates, or T...

RenJunkie

Wow, this is awesome! I was figuring maybe I was seeing it worng, but with other, supporting evidence....mmmm! Russ, if you happen to find any of those pics, I can't tell you how cool it would be. Thanks for the cross reference and the pic, Daniel. That just sorta seals it for me. As far as them act...

RenJunkie

Do you have a larger version of the first pic? This is sort of the time period I'm aiming at, and that looks like a killer harness.

Anad it doesn't have more than half a millenium of chippage going on

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Have a look at the soldier on the right in this piece: m Then look at him in this pic: m Is his elbow protected by his vambrace? It looks a lot like a bazuband-ish sort of set up. Or is it really an elbow cop and I'm just not seeing the seam line in the sculpting? All I can make out is what looks li...

RenJunkie

That's a great link, Karl, thanks. Stapled??? Do you happen to have any pics of that? Any idea why they would have gone with staples? Definitely looking forward to the massive museum post pics, B. You sure Flat was the norm in HRE? I'd heard it was the other way....I think. Well flat would definitel...

RenJunkie

Giano wrote:What languages do you read?

Just English

Christopher

RenJunkie

No one?

Bueller? Bueller?

Christopher

RenJunkie

Was it round or flat wire? If it changed over during that period, when did the change to flat really become the norm?

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Hmmmmm....this is all good info, but I think m y head is starting to spin....lol

Where does one find out details on the major dialects?

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Christopher

RenJunkie

So, English has changed more since 1611 than German has from Luther's version of the Bible?

Astonishing.

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Christopher

RenJunkie

Who is it that has those brass joints and blackened limbs? That's spectacular, and a look that just isn't out there enough.

Christopher

RenJunkie

How differnt is 13th-14thC "German" from say 16thC "German" as far as language? I assume that there were multiple dialects bordering on different languages throughout the HRE (just talking German tongue, not Czech or whatever it was in whatever part of the Italian peninsula). And...

Canvas CoP Shells

Splinted Limbs in the HRE

Making Loaner CoPs for Larger Guys

What Do You Make of This?

Maille in the HRE 1250-1400

German Language Stuff