The Armour Archive

RenJunkie

Looking for the huge. Any and all examples, pretty much. I know it's a huge range of time, but I'm trying to find out what combos were most common when in the 14th. England, HRE, and Iberian peninsula. I don't even know if it was used in the Iberian. Anybody have links for effigies from the IB and H...

RenJunkie

I wasn't being a troll. . (I don't know what that actually means) It means: acting deliberately obtuse just to piss people off Now, before any hackles get rising, she said she assumes you're NOT being a troll and that your questions are, as you said, genuine. This is, in fact Medieval/Renaissance r...

RenJunkie

Nooooooooo....you gotta be kidding....4 bids!!!!???

Please, please say that this is a joke......

Christopher

RenJunkie

Spaulderoid? I like that word. Seriously. That's a sweet way of describing that type of arm. I've always had trouble explaing that.

Thanks, K.

Christopher

RenJunkie

Thanks for the link, Gavin. Does anyone know of a site like that or Gothic Eye for HRE effigies? These are exceedingly useful, but I'd like to know more about HRE as well. No fighting, guys. Gavin's right, floating or articulated isn't the issue. The issue is, the type of elbows used with knees that...

RenJunkie

Those are nice, Stefhan. Are they steel or aluminum? And can you do something more cruciform? Something that wouldn't have the balls on the tips, like something more square-ish?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Not looking for much hypothosis. We have these knees in effigies that we often refer to as soupcans. In this thread, the assumption should be that they are floating. Again, not hypothoosizing on thier construction. Then, what do the effigies show from 1300 to 1399 as far as what sorts of elbows are ...

RenJunkie

How about just lining the wool with linen?

Christopher

RenJunkie

Not interested in the big picture in this thread. Strictly 14thC this time out. If it evolved after 1399, then it is too far down the line for the scope of this question. Most of this thread has been about armour decades later than what I'm asking about. The forum is about the big picture, my little...

RenJunkie

Sauron. This is the Dark Lord's helm. Witchking's was even more wild. The Sauron helm was designed to evoke a horse's skull. This is a crappy crappy knockoff. This jack-hole can't seriously BELIEVE it's Roman, can he? Guys like this need shot, resurrected, shot, resurrected again, shot in the junk, ...

RenJunkie

Actually, if we could just bring the whole thread back to the 14thC, it would really help me a lot. The original question: The so-called "soupcans" (by which I mean the style depicted on d'Aubernon and de Burs, et al)- which for the sake of this thread, I would like to proceed as if they a...

RenJunkie

Tose are nice, Stahlgrim, thanks. What do you do for the pommel on these, just put a screw into it? I remember seeing a diagram on here a while back showing how to attach a pommel, but the pommel had like tangs that ran up the side of the grip you taped to. Does Stefan have a site? I'm just doing pr...

RenJunkie

Who makes more historical looking, non-basket hilt hlits? I know Windrose/Mandrake does, but who else? Regular crossguards/cruciform hilts. Not looking for Landsknecht or anything.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Actually oak is cheaper around here. A 1/4"x2'x4' piece of oak ply is about $8, as opposed to about $11 for the birch. Since I plan to cover it in canvas, the less porous nature of the birch isn't terribly important to the finished look, I wouldn't think. You get the smoothest finish oak can gi...

RenJunkie

I'm still a bit curious about wood types, tho. Why does everyone seem to prefer birch to oak? I can see it if you're not covering it with hide or canvas, but isn't oak stronger? I know it doesn't cost quite as much. Also, what kind of bolt is best to use? A carriage bolt would be easy, but I dunno i...

RenJunkie

It's too amusing, Hedinn. Can't lock the thread. What would the rest of us watch to entertain ourselves?

"ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!??" lol.

Christopher

RenJunkie

Did you laminate and shape it, then cut it out? Or did you cut your heater shape first?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Were soucan knees wore more commonly with articulated elbows, soupcans, or floating pointy elbows?

And what was the main range of usage decades-wise?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Ok, I think I got what you mean, Adric. thanks, the pics helped a lot. I have difficulty visualizing imagery from words sometimes. You know, Stahlgrim, that didnt occour to me. Will doing a 1/8" roundover on each side give me a ridge at the top of a 1/2" thick shield, or should it come out...

RenJunkie

That's killer stuff, Maelgwyn. The shaping on those vams is very nice. The tooling is incredibles clean. Can't wait to see your 14thC kit finished out. Wish I had some advice on the mold spots. All I would do if I wasn't gonna paint them is start over. tho I'm sure someone has way better advice than...

RenJunkie

That's hot, Sir Vitus. I'm always stunned by the strapping/belting system. It makes me dizzy to try and figure it out. Good show!

Christopher

RenJunkie

Adric, do you have any pics of your shield? I'm not really understanding about all the small strips of canvas, as opposed to a sheet that just covers the sield face and wraps over the edges. Is the general consensus 1 or 2 layers of canvas? How deep should the curve be? I know in some art I've seen ...

RenJunkie

PM sent.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Like I said, one day, I'm gonna start playing wth rawhide, but for now, it's sorta cost prohibitive for me to be experimenting with. This will be my first shield project afterall.

Thanks for the suggestions and info. Please keep them comming.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Winterborne, do you have any closeups from your shoulders up? I'm thinking about doing a fabric camil/aventail, whichever it is, and it would be most helpful to see a real live example. To bad I can't see it in person while I'm up in Cincy (New Richmond) this week. Unless you don't mind a looky loo ...

RenJunkie

Well, canvas covering a round shouldn't be too hard. Make a ring of canvas bigger than your shield with a hole in the middle the middle hole should be the same diameter as the hole for your hand. glue it down and do the edges like everyone else does, just rivet thru the canvas. You may not want to g...

RenJunkie

I just spent the last couple hours rummaging thru old posts on shields. I want to make an edgeless heater. Why? I agree with the idea that edging typically looks like ass. I may go with covered rope on a practice shield, but I Now what I ran across was some good stuff, however, much of it is a coupl...

RenJunkie

I thought knees were typically creased but elbows were typically uncreased?

Christopher

RenJunkie

You can get Titebond 3 at Wal Mart Lowes, or any place like that. It's about the best easily available wood glue out there.

By thinning it out, it soaks thru the leather, and then when it hardens, it really hardens. Good stuff.

Christopher

RenJunkie

I wouldn't worry too much about getting it under the maille. Like Carlyle said, a CoP is acceptable at least as far back as the middle 13th. Just make suer you wear a surcote over it. It'll hide the plastic, and be correct to wear over a CoP and maille.

Christopher

RenJunkie

If you don't like those listed, I can make you a pile, depending on how many you need. You would need to order a minimum amount so that the cost per blank wasnt ridiculous (gotta pay for that cow).

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Maybe a jerkin ? Mmmmaybe. I should have thought of that, actually. I need to make one for rapier. Yeah, I don't know what the edges look like, I haven't gone to see it yet. But I should be able to keep edges out of sight if they're all uglified. Would this be shite for covering a scabbard? Thanks,...

RenJunkie

Smilingotter wrote:Now, if they can just do "WAR KITTENS?!?"

Yes, the war kittens.

Let us see now the ultimate battle for control of the surburban tree-lined backyards!!!!!!!!

MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

Christopher

RenJunkie

Swwwweeeeeeeeeeet....

Christopher

RenJunkie

Sean, check your PM's

Christopher

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