The Armour Archive

RenJunkie

All this is really interesting (no, seriously, it is...not joking), but is any of this helping to answer th OP's question on colors?

Can somebody give him a good summation? I mean, at least a best educated guess (since that's what we've established is the best we can do)??

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

So you're saying that tigers were never used in decorating Japanese armour? Seriously, Eff, I don't know this stuff. No need to act like I had previous knowledge as to whether or not tigers were used. If I had known, I wouldn't have mentioned it. But I didn't know, hence the question. Christopher

RenJunkie

I don't know these things, that's why I ask.

BTW...Why is it wrong?

Christopher

RenJunkie

Wouldn't side slits be correct as well, if his personna is infantry?

Or did I read that in a book I should ignore?...lol

Christopher

RenJunkie

Well, I quess that's the direction I'll go, then. I don't think the fencing rules will let me get to close to the right blade. I may be able to use an SCA cut and thrust blade for regular rapier...I hope. But it will probably be a rapier blade. Tho, I think I shall go with the widest blade I can be ...

RenJunkie

I see designs and shapes on The greaves and vambraces (whatever thier Japanese names are) on the standarbearer of the King. why not put some tigers there?

Christopher

RenJunkie

From expeience with mead my wife made at University this year: Don't put it in a plastic 2 liter bottle if you're gonna store it (post-ferment) in the fridge. the tastes of the fridge, seeped in, and it tasted like leftovers. All of the leftovers. But about 2 weeks in, if we woulda corbonated it, it...

RenJunkie

TONIGHT, WE DINE AT CHIPENDALES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is totally going into my sig line.....

Oh, sorry about the vomiting, Irish...lol

Christopher

RenJunkie

Any idea where there are photos of examples? On an image search, I get all types of sallets, birds, moths, sea life, and even a couple models.

I'm not really sure which of the hats are true celatas.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Yeah, and one day, I'll be able to afford one. I got to hold a few perfectly balanced swords. Was niiiiice. Basically what I'm doing is trying to find somethingunique for SCA fencing, and not be the standard 'Lizabethan (period, not just English) guy.Was hoping to get something pre-1500. Looks like ...

RenJunkie

<snarf>

Christopher

RenJunkie

Thanks, Josh, now I gotta go get a hernia fixed....

At least he wasn't oiled

Christopher

RenJunkie

Any examples of the celattas? Preferably an accurate reconstruction, or an extant if it isn't too fragmented.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Ok, so how would these be for last quarter-ish of the 15thC?

http://www.kriegwerkz.com/mka/images/inner.jpg

And how bout the attactched piccy?

More acurate wuestion, I guess; When did these hilts start to appear, and when did they start gaining lighter blades?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Cool, thanks, Chef. No appearances on English archers that we know of?

So they were common, but not as common as the sallet, or the chapel. Often on lower end guys and archers?

Any reason why they were usually on common men?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Christopher

RenJunkie

Still stalled. Hopefully that problem will be out of the way in the next week, and I can get going.

Christopher

RenJunkie

What is a good guage for making a perforated mask? I imagine it wouldn't need to be particularly heavy.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Geoffrey, which one? The first one I posted or the second one?

Ok, Chef, so regular war swrod would have been the norm until about when?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Outside of Italy, that is. Did they sail the Channel? Did they explore Africa with the Portugese? Who liked em, and what was the height of there use, timewise?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

I normally do it on the flesh, but sometimes, I gotta do it on the grain. Sometimes, that big friggin tanner's mark, or brand has to be avoided fairly closely, and I can't do that from the back. I'm thinking about drilling around those, tho, so I can do them from the flesh and avoid marks. I've only...

RenJunkie

I think he's saying that a guy with a finger buckler who calls it an estoc is roughly equivalent to a guy with an itty bitty shield over his fingers, and a single pointed short spear. It's all in the nomenclature. Or maybe I totally missed his point I'd rather see spuntop helmets gone than something...

RenJunkie

Ok, I think I used the wrong wording, arming sword is more what I meant.

So these hilts would be right for arming swords of the time?

What sort of blade would we be talking about?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Actually by guys on the ground, I was also referring to knights whose horses had met the pointy part of an arrow as well as infantry. Was sorta hoping to hear they had pecker protection for such events. Guess they just risked it for the most part. Were maille faulds padded? Thanks, Christopher

RenJunkie

Now was this sort of bhilt only on heavier swords, or was it used on lighter civilian blades?

Or is that sorta still too early for the idea of lighter civilian blades?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

How about guys on the ground?

I would think a shot to the crotch would hurt thru maille....Like enough to make the next shot thrown the end.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

So how did a man protect his dangly parts later in the 15th? I mean before the big landskechty codpieces....

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Cian, thanks, I gotta clean my keyboard now.

Wow.....

Did they have hilts sorta like that about 40 years earlier, Chef?

Hope so....

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

That's sweet, GP. Good job!

Christopher

RenJunkie

Ok, so more like this?

Would a single finger loop be out of place for 1460-1480 on something like this?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

Thanks, Enrico!

So, are there any examples of a more munitions grade version or at least a model for someone of lower means? How many pieces would the back be for a lower end cuirass? I assume it would still be 2 piece in the front?

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

You mean sorta like this hilt, Chef, only with one guard upwards? I'd have to forgive the finger ring size, as I'be wearing a slightly padded glove with it, so the extra size becomes functional to me. One of those little compromises. When would swords sorta like these two have hit Iberia? Portugal i...

RenJunkie

Sweet. Thanks! The only thing I get about the Lucern HM11 when I do a web search is the thread about your armour on Fire Stryker, Chef. Aparently, there are no web-based photos of the original pieces. Still, I'm looking for a less Milanese style. Is the Italian Export in Western Style the one type t...

RenJunkie

Anyone have good pics of extant and repro armours of this sort? Burgundians and English were fond of them, weren't they?

Especially any wth the Italian sallet style rather than barbute.

Thanks,
Christopher

RenJunkie

English in the 15thC, Cian?

Would this have been found all over Europe in say the 1460-1480 range, or just primarily in Italy?

Would it have reached Iberia and the the central HRE by then?

Thanks,
Christopher

Who Used Barbutes?

"Italian Gothic" Armours; WoR Period