The Armour Archive

Andrew Young

Hey man its partly your fault I got the 14c bug, throw up that pic of you from 92-93 time frame, that kit rocks!

Totally destroyed....in the process of learning more. Must break eggs to make omlets.

Andrew Young

Found on the net...(no pun intended) Coolest thing Ive seen all week.

http://www.divingheritage.com/armored2.htm

http://www.divingheritage.com/armoredkern2b.htm

http://www.divingheritage.com/armored2c.htm

Andrew Young

What a great thread! Especially as it involves the same mystery as to how plate legs were attached, the nature of points, possible belts, etc. I suspect that since mail hose were worn with belts at the waist (so to speak) its not a stretch to apply this to mail chausses. In that same vein to early p...

Andrew Young

The only reason he is even capable of getting away with his assertion at all is due to Medieval craft guilds being 'mysteries', that is, a craft which secrets were not to be publicly shared, but only by being learned by apprenticeship. Getting away with an assertion?!?! Im not trying to shove anyth...

Andrew Young

Throughout most of the plate period the cuisse came in two styles: --frontal: from inside center of leg to outside center of leg. --front and back: usually with hinges that extend from the cuisse and backplate (a real test of your skill) or applied as in a modern hinge would be an applique Height va...

Andrew Young

I would not rule anything out. Its entirely possible that someone, somewhere, had a low tech pair of cuisses made. We dont have any concrete evidence, but I wouldnt rule it out as padded armor never really disappeared until the final twilight of armor.

Andrew Young

Honestly I think it depends on what you want it for. I think mild is fine for most living history since most living history is pretty static anyway, ie, basic encampments. In addition, spring is tougher because it is denser using a higher carbon content. So in truth, two identical pieces of 20 guage...

Andrew Young

Yes I also agree my suspicious were aroused regarding a victorian reproduction. And I also agree the terms were rather curious....referring to a close helm as a bascinet. Then again, stranger things have popped u; some of the suits in Boccia's books look aweful clunky, rusty and generally less than ...

Andrew Young

Helms exist that were created out of a single piece with no joint. Unless you cast them (which is not a possibility or have the local wizard conjure one up for you, this one I might believe)... there is only one other conclusion, sinking/raising or just raising. This is not a theory but a known fac...

Andrew Young

Im not typing on bold to be degrading Brain, but to have the question answered. - Riveted (artistic evidence supports this) - Welded (no known evidence to support this, at this time) - Sunk/raised or just raised (proof exists that bascinets were created in this fashion) Lets use the term evidence an...

Andrew Young

Dont limit yourself to Italy....exported pieces still contain Italian style, though sometimes altered to regional taste. Some great original 14th century stuff here: http://www.themcs.org/armour/14th%20century%20armour.htm Also, the late Lionello Boccia's books are wonderful. Le armature di Santa Ma...

Andrew Young

This photo was really great....notice the lame and cop gap. And the curved shape of the cuisse at the knee area (laying flat on left of photo.

Andrew Young

Possibly. The photos all read Test, which I presume may be new to the web. Case in point: http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/1327.jpg

Given that theyve taken the suit apart already, Id love to see more photos, close ups.

Its the Hunt Museum in Limerick. Anyone live nearby?

Andrew Young

Well Frankenstein went through his own various components....youll get it if you keep at it. Dont give up!

Andrew Young

Looks nice brother! Love the lattice work.

Andrew Young

My proof is every extant bascinet that has been examined has shown clear evidence of being raised, as in fact the bulk of surviving late medieval helmets of all sorts have. I too have handled original pieces....that doesnt prove anything. Than elaborate on your supposed proof Chef Elaborate on what...

Andrew Young

"I don't think they forge welded bascinets. There is evidence supporting riveting and no-seam single piece construction. I ain't buying it, at this point. These people were very smart and good at what they did. Probably to an inconceivable degree, for us. Why have a third method that provides ...

Andrew Young

I am thinking about carrying some. Wont be for a few months though.

Andrew Young

Bronze mail: http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/1327.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/2915.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/4191.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/2917.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/2919.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qzty2o/2921.jpg http://test.huntmuseum.com/qz...

Andrew Young

Only high end scientific analysis would tell us the whole story there. Exactly. Durasteel, Theories are proved with facts. Facts backing our knowing bascinets were raised - several score extant examples. Facts backing the theory of forge welding bascinet skulls or visors - Zero, nada, zilch, the da...

Andrew Young

I dont use fancy stakes at all. Just dish lightly, then raise a bit...and finally form the crease/ridges over a masonry chisel which I ground down at a slight angle. Pretty simple set up, nothing ornate and fancy. Ive 'roughed out' gothic knuckle lames in under 20 minutes using just the chisel as a ...

Andrew Young

Well the Vatican has some armour. Certainly some Greek and Roman stuff. The best preserved hoplon if I recall correctly. But Id bet theyve got more behind the curtain too. I mean, the guards were 16th century pieces, and have been for quite a while.

Andrew Young

Lord Quinn, Are you up to some kind criticism? If these are designed to be 14th or 15th century spaulders, you should consider shortening the lames by nearly half their length, which would shorten the overall spaulder to about half its length. Fortunately, its not a difficult modification as you rea...

Andrew Young

Honestly Brian....thank you. (and I do thank you for your email). Your last few posts were far more straightforward and positive in tone thus far. I do believe anecdotal or coincidenetal evidence can provide the basis for a very sound launching point. Let me say a few things first as I think we are ...

Andrew Young

I think there are two questions here. The first is could they have done it? The data and theories you are adressing all revolve around this question. There is certainly enough data both in the existing helms and in the various theories you have on technique to answer that as yes. However, the quest...

Andrew Young

On that note, someone told me about a marshal prank in which 26 guage helmets were made and worn over existing bascinets....or something like that. So when they helmets were struck they crumbled hideously....freaking out the marshals. I cant help to think that must have been amusing to watch.

Andrew Young

Damn it Capt L,....yur makin me luk bad!

(ps, you coming to Imperial City any time soon?)

Your friend,
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Andrew Young

Hey a friend just bought up an abandoned storage unit and inside
was a Suburban and a snow cat and a lot of tools and stuff but
most important Freon Cans!

What can I make from those?

A whole bunch of brain damaged newbies.

Andrew Young

1. Quite a few examples of very long Medieval forge welds exist - they are in gun barrels, and not only in gun barrels of hoop and stave construction, but in single seam tubes of some length. 2. These long forge welds are quite obvious to the viewer, they are not "hidden". Ah but, bear in...

Andrew Young

No, I do not assume that everything was raised. Never said that. Never would. I do think that what we have in current evidence only supports that most bascinets were constructed from a single piece. I do not see scholarly evidence to support otherwise. Well Brian you seem quite intent on dismissing...

Andrew Young

Not SCA legal.

Andrew Young

That is delicate statement Brian. Large enough for what? Something deep, something shallow? Further, the 14th century is a long time. We see mail clad ....no wait, largely chain mail clad knights at its opening and well into the first third of the century; even by 1350 we still see a lot of mail. It...

Andrew Young

actually that isnt half bad, all things considered. Even now.

Andrew Young

Indeed I am convinced that rivetted bascinets existed, but in certain areas, largely due to technological incapacities and/or quality of the iron/steel being used. First, we know that 'other' deep pieces did exist that were rivetted. There has been a lot of debate at to whether or not the churbourg ...

Andrew Young

That is one hell of a kick ass weightlifting belt!

"Where does he get all this stuff?!" (articulatio

Some interesting armor pictures.....