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by Andrew Young
Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:52 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

So armor may not be 'Art' to you... but it IS beautiful to me and I appreciate Carlos books quite a bit and want him to continue with pictures of beautiful armor. If he decides to photograph beautiful cars or beautiful mountainsides, I sure someone else will buy his books as well. Sean All is good ...
by Andrew Young
Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:40 am
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

We are all... tools.

Some of us are just more artistic about it.

:mrgreen:
by Andrew Young
Sun Oct 26, 2008 12:29 am
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Heavy Duty Scale Fauld
Replies: 18
Views: 782

Kinda too bad I'm too tall and too big around for it. Especially dig the fauld. Christopher Well Im willing to separate the fauld from the COP. Its got plenty of room to spare, even if your big like me. It was originally designed for a steel cuirass but I converted it to the COP later on.
by Andrew Young
Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:43 am
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Last offering for some time
Replies: 10
Views: 521

Its a damn nice helmet Adam! If I had 900 clams Id buy it off ya. :D
by Andrew Young
Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:42 am
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Heavy Duty Scale Fauld
Replies: 18
Views: 782

Kinda too bad I'm too tall and too big around for it. Especially dig the fauld. Christopher How tall are you Renjunkie? Since I owned a cuirass or two or three ....when I made the COP I did so such that it could be used amongst several people, myself and a few newbies. I am 6'7 but it fit one of ou...
by Andrew Young
Sat Oct 25, 2008 10:39 am
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Heavy Duty Scale Fauld
Replies: 18
Views: 782

I understand, no problem. :)
by Andrew Young
Sat Oct 25, 2008 12:33 am
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

bump.....boy things move fast around here....so many new posts!
by Andrew Young
Thu Oct 23, 2008 3:48 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: AM I INSANE....muhahaha....1 piece solidly cut bargrill !?!?
Replies: 8
Views: 1194

...my madness is your one-piece face protection :wink:
by Andrew Young
Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:31 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: Heavy Duty Scale Fauld
Replies: 18
Views: 782

Heavy Duty Scale Fauld

EDIT: THE COP HAS BEEN SOLD....only the fauld remains. Very tough hand sewn scale fauld using sole leather punched scales. I spent a full week sewing in the sole scales (in other words, they are thick scales and extremely protective.....you can swing a baseball bat and these scales absorb tons of s...
by Andrew Young
Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:25 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: AM I INSANE....muhahaha....1 piece solidly cut bargrill !?!?
Replies: 8
Views: 1194

AM I INSANE....muhahaha....1 piece solidly cut bargrill !?!?

Asking 75 or best offer ....Cut from 1/4 solid steel plate ....ready to get fitted to a helmet. (this is the type of project you tackle when you have plenty of spare time btw...made this about ten years ago...it took about 3-4 hours day with a jig saw!) But seriously I dont need it and Id love to se...
by Andrew Young
Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:21 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

Latest bid is 145.
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:21 pm
Forum: Historical Research
Topic: Does anyone else think of the scarecrow?
Replies: 7
Views: 435

YES....it always comes to mind.


btw...........this is one of the sculptures we are working on now that will be released soon. It will be a wall plaque about 11 inches high, very good detail.
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:18 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

ONe should point out that, in the Modern Sense, Art in the Middle ages did not exist. The Medieval masterpieces drooled over in the Metropolitan museum of Art or the British museum, or the Louvre *were* tools, the men who made them were craftsmen in shops, helped by journymen and apprentices, who w...
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 5:17 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Paintings or sculpture or any applied craft are tools for the individual to gain money or prestige or gratification of other sorts, so to follow the logic outlined above none of these things are art as they are simply tools to an end result. So there is no such thing as art how very sad for those w...
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 4:59 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Ralph....I too enjoy the conversation. And I do think a photo like that chaffron qualifies as art assuming it is being displayed in a manner to evoke an emotion, which it is. But that the armour itself is art, I dont agree with....not unless its parade armour or something that has a far more whimsic...
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 2:22 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Something occurred to me a few minutes ago when I was in the shop (working on armour of all things) that more succinctly defined to me, why I am standing my ground. The problem I have is that the word or term "art" is so widely applied to just about everything that its lost its meaning as ...
by Andrew Young
Wed Oct 22, 2008 1:39 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

See, I think I understand the sticking point....the reason why some of you guys dont follow what Im saying is because you think I have a narrow definition of what art is.....which is true. Yet conversely to counter that I also have a broader definition of what a tool is (I admit I did not elaborate ...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:40 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

Eamonn MacCampbell wrote:DAMN That's beautiful....Wish I had some spare cash.... :sad:


Ill break up the payment if youd like. Im in no rush to sell it. Just figured it would be great for holidays and I dont really have room for it now.
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:39 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: bombproof breastplate - any ideas?
Replies: 22
Views: 778

The real answer will depend completely on the real type of round, load, powder, etc. As chef said, Alan Williams and others show that later shot proof armour was formed from softer, more easily deformed material rather than tempered spring. An example of a not-too-ugly shot proof breastplate with s...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:31 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

The reason there is no such thing as a middle ground Sean is because its technically impossible to have something be equally both (key words here) art and a tool. I realize how hard this is to swallow but stop and think about if for a few minutes. Looking for fundamental purpose , what you have is e...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 9:06 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Finished fingermittens whadya think?
Replies: 13
Views: 524

Mad Matt wrote:Really? What were you thinking?

I think the fact that the fingers were attached to the metacarpal without the cuff on made them look longer then they are too.


Sixteenth century stuff. I thought you were doing a modified scadian gauntlet. :)
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 8:46 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

I can appreciate that a building keeps the rain off my head and the heat inside but I can appreciate the high vaulted arches, carefully braced buttresses and looming gargoyes Yet those arches and flying buttressed were never originally artistic decor....they WERE the functional elements that held u...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:46 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

If I am correct, it stands at 138 ?

(please correct me if I misunderstood your PM Dave)
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:44 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: bombproof breastplate - any ideas?
Replies: 22
Views: 778

white mountain armoury wrote:regualr old 13 ga mild will stopp a 22lr, not sure about a 32.
I can test tomorrow if you like


I would be interested in seeing that Adam.

Ive got some peascod commissions Id like to know some reasonable specs before shooting.
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:34 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: bombproof breastplate - any ideas?
Replies: 22
Views: 778

chef de chambre wrote:
And no armour is going to stop a man being crushed by a catapult.




what a spectacle that would be eh?!
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:33 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Heating and shaping glass - can I use a torch?
Replies: 18
Views: 382

I have shattered glass with heat. I think it depends on the type and grade of glass youre using Cat.
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:18 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: Finished fingermittens whadya think?
Replies: 13
Views: 524

Oh, Matt.....I didnt realize what you were making.

I thought your fingers were for a later period piece, thats why they looked too long to me.

Now that I see what your did, nice job!
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 5:04 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Please, if you don't like to consider armor as art... don't buy the book. That will leave one more copy available for those who do. Sean I never said I wasnt planning on buying the book. I was commenting on the fact that I dont believe the format of the book as an art book is true to the fundamenta...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 4:49 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

I think I have responded to all four PMs (one glitched so lmk if they went through guys)

Current bid is 120
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 2:43 pm
Forum: Classifieds / Want Ads
Topic: beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)
Replies: 7
Views: 309

beautiful CELTIC KNOTWORK PRINT (signed by artist, deceased)

We acquired this a few years ago through an art gallery. It was made by the popular Irish born artist Steven Doyle. Below is his biography. This limited edition fine print of a "J" is number 77 of 100. This particular one is signed by the artist himself! While I have been advised to take t...
by Andrew Young
Tue Oct 21, 2008 12:27 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Definitely some good points. I would break it down like this. First, its semantics. Words. Two people both look the mona lisa. One turns to the other and says....."ah, art." The other turns to the first man and says....ah "stinkenfalgunkelstien" ..........they may both mean pure ...
by Andrew Young
Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:44 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

That is OK Drew... Adam knows the difference. I think we all do. After-all... this is the Armour Forum. Hal Im chill Hal. My formal background is history with a blend between forensic archeology and museum studies thats acting up. I just feel that we need to be careful not to present history or his...
by Andrew Young
Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:35 pm
Forum: Interpretive Re-creation
Topic: 14th or 15th Century Woodworkers
Replies: 11
Views: 252

While I would love to go that deep, I probably wont. I will probably go the way of a joiner or a cabinet maker and by rough cut and finish them. I actually made a board at work today. Well, I made a rough cut board ready to be used and finished at work today. I made a board so amazingly smooth... a...
by Andrew Young
Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:29 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: bombproof breastplate - any ideas?
Replies: 22
Views: 778

The cuirass Im working on is 11 gauge. Ill be working on one thats 10 gauge soon. Flutes will not help deflect bullets. If anything they give the bullet more opportunity to get lodged in. Late period armour that knowingly had to deflect gun warfare actually becomes rather devoid of flutes and excess...
by Andrew Young
Mon Oct 20, 2008 11:23 pm
Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
Topic: The Wallace Colletion - A new book by Hans Prunner
Replies: 128
Views: 2495

Its strictly a diff of oppinion then, a classificatory dispute on the nature of art, as old as ancient greece, and likely older. A 59 Les Paul, a stack of brillo-pad boxes, a burgeonet, a kidneybean halibrand racing wheel. All objects of art to me regardless of their original intent. A full suit of...