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- Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:13 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Re: And now a little gasoline into the fire...:->
EuricGermanicus wrote: Woah!? You mean like......real archers!? Calling CA "unbalancing" is a little over the top. It's used in rez battles mostly, and I'd rather walk to rez and let someone who can not fight for whatever reason on the field. >It is unbalancing when it has an affect that is much gre...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 2:00 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
my bad. by many of the "new" rules, i was thinking of the rule changes since i started fighting. it seems to me to be as safe then as it is now but with a lot thinner manual. the elbow behind the shield thing and the neck padding thing are about as stupid a set of rules as any but are really the on...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 1:18 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: [SCA] New Society Combat Rules
- Replies: 339
- Views: 7759
I hope folks don't take this wrong, because personally, I am all about improving the appearance of fighters on the field. I think appearance on the field has improved significantly from what was the norm just 10 years ago. Here is the rub though. First. We fight with rattan weapons which do not sim...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:59 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Re: And now a little gasoline into the fire...:->
... "attention getting cough" http://www.xenophongroup.com/montjoie/hgunt-ts.gif Handguns seem to be in our time period as well... And I doubt we wouldn't have too much trouble with armor penetration for these now would we Once someone figures out how to employ handguns safely in our game (there is...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:52 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: [SCA] New Society Combat Rules
- Replies: 339
- Views: 7759
When Bob the bunny fur barbarian in sneakers, a maille bikini and woad tries to get in, he gets bounced for not meeting a lot of critieria and for not wearing armour suitable for armoured medieval combat. I question whether this, or anything like it, is common enough to warrant legislation. One bun...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 12:42 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: [SCA] New Society Combat Rules
- Replies: 339
- Views: 7759
It is the responsibility of each fighter to document their attempt at creating a medieval appearance. So now I'm bringing my ID, my fighter card, my medallion, and a freakin pack of historical documentation to inspection point? Pphtpthpthphtpthtpht! If I wanted to do living history I would join a l...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:04 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: [SCA] New Society Combat Rules
- Replies: 339
- Views: 7759
It would have been better to make a general statement like this and then follow it up with some specifics and examples. Something along the lines of what Atlantia did would have been better or at least been a good start. Believe me, this was discussed at great length. All the rules are a compromise...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:53 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
unfortunatly many of the new rules are just plain stupid and senseless. regards logan Not sure what all you mean by 'many of the new rules'; as far as I could tell, there were only three changes with any potential significant impact on the fighting community - the neck padding, the shield arm elbow...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:44 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
There are a lot of things we should play pretend with (like that nice, light stainless steel) or play it safe with (not having 6' longbows with no pull weight restriction), but should our illusions go so far as to say that an archer firing flat at targets 5 meters away is actually shooting from 200...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 10:31 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
The Battle of Crecy 1346 would have more people killed by arrows, most of the armor was maille with a few peices of plate over or under it. This is high end knights armor from 1347, notice the plate defense is not total coverage: http://www.gothiceye.com/images/large/KN037-2.jpg http://www.gothicey...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:42 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Lets throw the battle of Crecy into the mix . . . Don't know exactly how the nobles died, but a lot of them did . . . Yes, but once again how many nobles and knights actually killed by arrows defeating their armour? Same points made about Agincourt apply to Crecy. Archery very effective, but actual...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 9:04 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: [SCA] New Society Combat Rules
- Replies: 339
- Views: 7759
ARMOUR REQUIREMENTS: Special attention to appearance should be paid and the atmosphere of a medieval event should be maintained. AH! Will that alone be enough to bounce an armor? Essentially can a marshal say "Sorry Johhny but you can do better than this mish-mash of car parts and exposed hockey ge...
- Thu Aug 31, 2006 8:55 am
- Forum: Historical Research
- Topic: Images: German National Museum's new "Mittelalter"
- Replies: 39
- Views: 1728
I thought that bar grills of a certain pattern had already been established as possibly rarely used, but nonetheless very real historical items. I've seen this one before somewhere. The knock on the SCA is that for safety and for cheapness/ease of construction, our bargrills are a little different l...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:28 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Lets throw the battle of Crecy into the mix . . . Don't know exactly how the nobles died, but a lot of them did . . . Yes, but once again how many nobles and knights actually killed by arrows defeating their armour? Same points made about Agincourt apply to Crecy. Archery very effective, but actual...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:23 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Combat: Published Rules Regarding Spears
- Replies: 73
- Views: 1091
the widely varying calibration standards from area to area are already a problem. Given that we already have an armor standard and the calibrations vary by region, how would changing that standard to a new reference point help? Perhaps I am just being thick, but I don't see how assumed plate would ...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:18 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Society minimums roll-call!
- Replies: 29
- Views: 749
The East did it out of fear of lawsuits for the most part, not because it was actually a good idea in other ways or because it made the combat or armour better or safer. At least that is essentially what I remember Sir Tanaka telling me when I asked him why we were doing this when he was East KM. Wh...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:11 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Combat: Published Rules Regarding Spears
- Replies: 73
- Views: 1091
To return to the topic of this thread ... I simply hope that the targetting conventions which are not standard (and I trust we have demonstrated that no one can claim that there is a standard for thrusts to the head) are clearly spelled out at inter-kingdom events. Um,,, yes. I agree. Sorry for the...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 6:10 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
They did cause problems for the knights and nobles, especially in the very early chivalric era where more open face helms were worn, but even then we don't see long lists of nobles or knights slain by arrows with any consistancy at all. FYI, for the SCA's assumed standard, I would suggest that 1205...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:53 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Combat: Published Rules Regarding Spears
- Replies: 73
- Views: 1091
The easiest solution is to change the armour standard to match the rules, instead of changing the rules to reflect a difficult to calibrate to standard with different types of protection for different parts of the head. Nononononononononono .... Moving to a different armor standard only changes the...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 5:37 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Sir, there is one faulty premise. Not everyone in the SCA is nobility. We are all allowed to claim minor nobility (I believe it is the third estate?) but no gentle MUST claim nobility. The people who choose not to claim nobility have every right to be on the fighting field. This is not an arguement...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:18 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Question: why is CA the ditch fight so one sided at Gulf Wars? The best anti CA is another CA. Meridies has a culture of hating CA as a kingdom. We brought 10 archers, and one of the other kingdoms (Ansteorra?) we were facing had around 130. No doubt archers were effective, they killed lesser armor...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 4:11 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
Henry II of France was killed by a sliver of a lance that went through his eye into the brain jousting against Gabriel Montgomery, I don't see the connection to arrows. One could argue that a long, pointy sliver of a wooden lance forced into an eyeslot, through the eye and into the brain and a long...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:55 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Combat: Published Rules Regarding Spears
- Replies: 73
- Views: 1091
Richard I have a problem with the whole the armor-standard-is-a-Norman-cap-argument. Right after defining the presumed armor for the head the SMH says a. Under this standard, an acceptable cutting blow to the face would be lighter than to other portions of the head or body. If the standard is a cap...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 3:13 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
If we can't get rid of combat archery as I would prefer for many reasons, maybe go to counted blows? Ex: An archer has to hit you once in the face (open face helm standard works in their favor ) or 10 times anywhere else to 'kill' you. Make it more realistic but still let the archers have an effect...
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 1:42 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:02 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Combat archery in the second woods battle at Pennsic 35
- Replies: 257
- Views: 3608
If we can't get rid of combat archery as I would prefer for many reasons, maybe go to counted blows? Ex: An archer has to hit you once in the face (open face helm standard works in their favor ) or 10 times anywhere else to 'kill' you. Make it more realistic but still let the archers have an effect....
- Wed Aug 30, 2006 11:07 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Combat: Published Rules Regarding Spears
- Replies: 73
- Views: 1091
Can't we just ask the guy who wrote the rule? But, for all I know it may have been written by someone who didn't know a motorcycle helmet from a baseball cap. We could just ask the pennsic Marshal In Charge. "Hey, is assumed for the troops a cap with no sides, or a helmet with sides?" As far as I a...
- Sun Aug 27, 2006 10:03 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Conditioning I: Body Fat Effects, Reduction & Measuremen
- Replies: 48
- Views: 1326
An update. I'm between 230 and 235 pounds now typically, generally 230-232. Today 232 pounds at 23.6% body fat, about 54 pounds of fat. So still better. Waistline is much smaller but still too big. Arms looking like arms again though still small for me, curling sets with 80 lbs on the easy curl supp...
- Fri Aug 25, 2006 5:00 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Calibration
- Replies: 156
- Views: 2897
- Fri Aug 25, 2006 11:06 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Calibration
- Replies: 156
- Views: 2897
Hi Logan. I think I see your main point, now that you mention effectiveness and given your expanded explanation. It would see what you are really arguing is not whether a sword edge blow that lands and does not skip is going to do sufficient damage compared to a lance thrust that lands and does not ...
- Fri Aug 25, 2006 12:12 am
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Calibration
- Replies: 156
- Views: 2897
"[color=red]i disagree on several of your points. first, i disagree that hitting a helmet with a spear would cause damage as easily as striking it with a blade. chances are that the tip would safely skip off of the hard metal surface while the strike has a much better chance of driving its entire fo...
- Thu Aug 24, 2006 6:05 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Calibration
- Replies: 156
- Views: 2897
As to face thrusts, It would be good to remind folks that from the Outlands to all points west (including the West ) thrusts to the side and top of the head count the same as any other. If you come to Estrella be ready to get hit in the head AND face with thrusts from spears. BTW we've been doing i...
- Thu Aug 24, 2006 9:17 am
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Mykaru Kabuto Gruber Somen
- Replies: 26
- Views: 749
Normally the minute I see Japanese armour in the SCA I cringe, because of all the obvious modern exposed plastic, that looks like modern exposed plastic. I believe you might be looking in the wrong places. One is leather; the other is plastic. I think that it is the vision and the skill, more than ...
- Wed Aug 23, 2006 6:11 pm
- Forum: Medieval Combat and Weapons
- Topic: Pennsic Calibration
- Replies: 156
- Views: 2897
The rules, traditions and customs on face and head thrusting vary widely from kingdom to kingdom. Just to reiterate the point as plainly as I can. It does not matter what rules, customs, or traditions exist regarding thrusting to the head in the East, the Middle, AEthelmarc, or the West. What shoul...
- Wed Aug 23, 2006 5:39 pm
- Forum: Armour - Design and Construction
- Topic: Mykaru Kabuto Gruber Somen
- Replies: 26
- Views: 749
