The Armour Archive

Tom B.

I have long had the impression that the side straps are a feature of Italian export pieces. I have seen a fair number of German breasts that have only the central rivet, as absurd as that may seem. Agreed. And even more perversely, I have seen (more than I would expect from thinking about it ) Germ...

Tom B.

If we are pulling measurements from Goll, do we know where the measurement was taken? It is easiest to measure the bottom of the helmet. It is really more useful to measure the wide part, but that requires a different (and less common) tool. I don't remember whether he said what he measured. Wade E...

Tom B.

That one sold at DelMar. I wasn't up to bidding. There was one that was a little later in an earlier sale that went for a lot less. I kind of wish I had tried for it. Wade Was that the sale that was blocked per the article? For years now many european countries have had the option of allowing a mus...

Tom B.

I can only imagine what the prices will be for used copies in a few years.

Tom B.

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Tom B.

http://www.museumsassociation.org/asset_arena/8/88/57/1075888/v0_full.jpg I found the Image here: Article: Appeal prevents sale of medieval helmet abroad Another article with more images: http://www.culture24.org.uk/history-and-heritage/military-history/pre-20th-century-conflict/art476583-Royal-Arm...

Tom B.

I'm not at all sure what to make of this object in the Met's collection. ref_arm_3150 It's weird, but that does not necessarily mean it's bogus. The pairs of stitching holes at the top give it a sort of verisimilitude. Likewise, the workmanship is good and the lines are bold and graceful. It might ...

Tom B.

Anyone know anything about this sallet & bevor? All I can find is sold at auction, sale of the armoury of the Dukes von Ratibor, Galeie Fischer, Waffensaal des Schlosses Grafenegg, II. Teil, May 2, 1934 lot #20. Sallet Goll #4237 and bevor Goll #4809 (same info and photo) https://lh3.googleuserconte...

Tom B.

Also note that several of the breastplates have the "Mushroom Rivets" we discussed in another thread.
Goll's Thesis Topic #1: Mushroom Rivets and removable straps

Tom B.

Thanks Myron! Sounds like that's one vote for Option 2, then. How much overlap do you suggest with the plackart? What is the general shape of the lower edge of the upper piece, for a two-piece breastplate? Take a look at this post I just made in another thread. http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB...

Tom B.

I think I have missed this until just now. Short leather straps on the sides joining upper and lower breastplate pieces. All of these examples are from Churburg so they should be trustworthy, some may even have original straps. Goll #3720 is what I am used to seeing, connection by 3 sliding rivets. ...

Tom B.

Here's a photo of one of those gorgets with the cups over the tops of the shoulders. The strap is for the pauldron. It could well be that the strap has simply been left out of the painting since it would distract. I am thinking of a Vermeer that has a missing easel leg. The painting looks better wi...

Tom B.

ManOnFire68 wrote:AAF is arms and armor forum?

Yes

Arms and Armour Forum

Tom B.

Well I does not look good. :( I logged out of Google and used the Goll's Thesis PDF link I have shared. Not only was I foiled by the 500 file limitation, there also was no search function. :( I was able to do a ctrl+F to do a search in the current folder but it won't search in subfolders. I will kee...

Tom B.

Tom, Sorting into categories would certainly be helpful. Goll's typology is not what I would prefer, but if that's the easiest thing to do, then that's probably best. It certainly has a sort of correctness; that his pics should be sorted into his typology. I looked up "Google Drive" on Wiki. If I u...

Tom B.

ManOnFire68 wrote:Damn. Churburg is no longer available?

Still available but not many copies left!
You have to scroll down in the link I posted.
Make sure to go to the AAF and join / get the discount code first.

Tom B.

looks like there maybe an issue with having all of the files in one folder :sad: https://support.google.com/drive/answer/3292045?hl=en Shared folder view is limited to 500 items Users who have been granted access to a shared folder with a large number of items inside have reported being able to see ...

Tom B.

I am thinking of putting these images on Google Drive. Maybe sorting them into subdirectories by Goll's typology. This should make both searching and browsing easier. Any thoughts or suggestions? I have started this Google Drive folder (same images as on Picasa / Google+) https://drive.google.com/fo...

Tom B.

I have not purchased anything from them but every time I see their modern etching on pre-16th century pieces it makes my brain hurt. Or the mixing and matching of armour across 200 years. I am loath to disparage someone's efforts but look around a bit and at least go into the deal with your eyes op...

Tom B.

Guys I have good news and bad news. Good news the discount for the AAF membership has been increased! Join the AAF and go to this link to get the code the same code is good for all three publications. More good news for US purchasers the current USD to Euro exchange rate makes the price lower than e...

Tom B.

Master of the Figdor Deposition, detail from The Martyrdom of Saint Lucy, c. 1500-10, Museum Boijmans Van Beuningen, Rotterdam, Netherlands. Here is a bit larger one, also click to open a much bigger version http://40.media.tumblr.com/a445c8ee1d1302d4e177119361c0fe66/tumblr_mkzjux94an1s75dqao1_500.j...

Tom B.

Looks good.
Any easier to get it bent into an oval this time?

Tom B.

Here is a Google Drive Folder with the images (titles correspond with Fig# from text):
Google Drive - Dupras Thesis Images

Tom B.

Tom. B did you have any slipping your legs out of the alginate? I know its soft but the foot is quite large compared to the leg I did alginate for hands but only have done plaster bandages for legs. Chris Gilman is the go to guy for advise on this. http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.p...

Tom B.

In my experience alginate does not cause any issues with hair, no need to shave. You do need to be pretty quick about pouring in the plaster after the limb is removed from the alginate. The alginate can swell and distort. There are some good videos on youtube. As usual there also are some not so goo...

Tom B.

Wade, the turns on yours are a couple of miles higher in the beauty department than the norm. Most turns look pretty rough by comparison. See Goll # 3625 for example. Goll #3625 PDF https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-HUWtMaO-WYQ/VGtgAtkTRCI/AAAAAAAAj5k/qjd9VZdUmnM/w558-h800-no/ref_arm_3625_003.jpeg

Tom B.

Yes, it is suprising to see so pretty hems but the not so flattering central point decorations. Its a pity they did not spend a bit more love on those, it would have lifted the whole piece a lot. The plackart is associated... http://www.allenantiques.com/A-237.html 1490 German. Composed. Upper plat...

Tom B.

What seems to be going on at the brow is this. I looks like the brow does not have the usual row of stitching holes for the liner. Instead, there is a leather lining strip. That strip is held in by the rivets that secure the engraved brass decoration. I had wondered about this for years. It is a si...

Tom B.

Goll #1517 PDF Having doubts on this bascinet. I have three objections: - the shape is "too rounded" and in front is not sloping downwards enough - the vervelles are super thin, like other fake examples - the is that hole for a vervelle in the middle of the brow, which doesn't make sense http://i.i...

Tom B.

Many late 15th century German gauntlets also have the enclosed cuff, but leave the wrist open.

Tom B.

I think it would be worthwhile, Tom. Perhaps a simple labeling D xxx for Dupras figure number, and an inventory number of the item? I could do that but that would be more work :wink: I have a program that will extract the photos automatically and name them automatically. For Goll's thesis it was ea...

Tom B.

Would you guys be interested in the photos from this thesis being pulled out and posted, like I did with Goll's thesis?

I could do this pretty easily but they would not be as easy to reference back to the original paper / object as in Goll's work.

Tom B.

I have a feeling the hem is a separate piece held in place by the liner rivets. If not, then double wow. I have access to a few pics that unfortunately I can't share. In a couple of views I was able to zoom and and look at the back edge of the roll. The roll appears to be integral to the bevor and ...

Tom B.

Mmm, mmm... isn't that turned edge at the top of the bevor something... It sure is nothing short of spectacular! :shock: It is impressive to look at the complex shape of cross section and note the nice taper down in size from center to sides. Then there is the unimaginable difficulty of acheiving t...

Tom B.

Keegan Ingrassia wrote:Uh...what about the churburg helm?

Though, I suppose this is more a close helm, with a missing side-pivot visor.

That is not the visor.
The visor is missing and would pivot vertivally.

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