The Armour Archive

Tom B.

Aussie Yeoman wrote:Just for funzies, what make ye of the gauntlets in this image:

http://visualiseur.bnf.fr/CadresFenetre ... imageseule

where the gauntlets on left and right have a curved row of rivets on the cuff, parhaps to hold a glove in place. Might we conject that the cuff is enclosed?

Dave

I can't seem to get to the linked photo.

Tom

Tom B.

And because of marshals that bend your head back SCA bevors are often permanently attached to the helmet too. This prevents the almost universal gap that will form when you bend your head back in a usual salade/bevor combination. Basically a 15th c. salade and bevor were just designed with differen...

Tom B.

Strip of leather at the finger tips. Holes for a strap/tabs at the knuckle Palm strap on the main metacarpal plate. Holes for strap and buckle on the cuff. hole for attachment to the glove in the base thumb plate. Most certainly originally stitched to the thumb leather but that is now replaced. No ...

Tom B.

RandallMoffett wrote:Enrico,

Is there any specific reason why you think that? I can see it either way really but am curious if you have any further information on why you think that?

RPm

See the discussion in this thread

Tom

Tom B.

Is this the correct link?
http://www.allenantiques.com/GauntletPartMovement.mp4
If not could you post a link to the correct one?

Thanks,
Tom

Tom B.

That isn't the 'partial gauntlet' I was talking about. I try to keep my references as close as I can to the topic of conversation (in this case 15th c. mitten gauntlets). That gauntlet is late 16th c. There are a lot of things that are common, but it isn't what we are talking about, so I left it ou...

Tom B.

InsaneIrish wrote:
Enrico di Venezia wrote:I like These Gauntlets.
Are they based on some originals or the Black Prince's effigy perhaps?

Thanks,
Tom

Mad Max or Road Warrior maybe.

Pretty sure the completed gauntlets will have the nails clipped and peened.

Black Prince Effigy Gauntlets

Tom

Tom B.

Contact M. Suprovich I was going to have him make one but my funds fell through. It was going to have two different bevors. One with a grill removable grill and another historical one for noncombat wear.

Take a look at these 2 threads:
Thread 1
Thread 2

Tom

Tom B.

Just turn the helm around.
Most people I have discussed this with agree that shorter brim goes to the front and the longer to the back.

Tom

Tom B.

I like These Gauntlets.
Are they based on some originals or the Black Prince's effigy perhaps?

Thanks,
Tom

Tom B.

Thanks for the additional information. Looking back I meant to post a link to Wade's partial gauntlet not the completed one I posted. Wade, There are holes for strap/tabs on the knuckles? Is this on both the full and partial gauntlets? I am having trouble reaching your website from China or I would ...

Tom B.

Jiri Klepac wrote:Hi Tom,

nice, thank you!

Jiri

You are welcome.

Here is a nice one featuring Arne Koets and his harness made by Jeff Hedgecock.

Tom

Tom B.

Vitus von Atzinger wrote:WOW!!!!!

Thought you would like this.

Tom

Tom B.

Actually after looking again I may be seeing some leather in the rearbrace.

Tom

Tom B.

I went over to the AAF and looked as several pictures of this armour.
There are some shots where you can see inside the left arm quite well.
There definitly are metal plates inside covered in velevt.
The rough edge that Irish pointed out is the edge of the fabric (velvet).

Tom

Tom B.

It is likely that on the Freiburg example that the latten strips were reattached and the glove was attached to them then. Looking at the pics again I can see what looks like an additional piece of leather stitched to the glove cuff to make it longer. It is this extention piece that is attached to t...

Tom B.

Original thread from 2006 with better pictures.

Do you have measurements?

Tom

Tom B.

White Rose Armouries Guys talk about the RA.

Toby Capwell talks about what the RA has meant to him.

Royal Armouries You tube Channel

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Tom B.

I did not realize that the use of splinted arm defenses enjoyed a resurgence in the 1410s. Tom It may not have been a resurgence. 1 sample in 9 from 1410-1419 had splints. If none from 1400-1409 had splints that doesn't indicate a dye-out. Imagine polling 10 people and counting blue eyes, then do t...

Tom B.

Mac,

Matthias just told me that your suspicions are correct.
In his opinion the cuff attachment was not normally (if ever prior to 1500) done.
It is likely that on the Freiburg example that the latten strips were reattached and the glove was attached to them then.

Tom

Tom B.

Likewise, you mention the cuff. Do Matthias' pics show lining strips on Gothic cuffs? How common is this? Perhaps I need to spring for his book... I did not address this question. After further review I may need to revise my statement and say that a few show cuff attachments. These seem to be the o...

Tom B.

Likewise, you mention the cuff. Do Matthias' pics show lining strips on Gothic cuffs? How common is this? Perhaps I need to spring for his book... I did not address this question. After further review I may need to revise my statement and say that a few show cuff attachments. These seem to be the o...

Tom B.

--A leather strip riveted to the terminal finger lame. This would be sewn to the end of the glove. Note, that a mitten gauntlet would probably have a *mitten* glove as well. Would you expect the mitten glove to be used in a mitten gauntlet with the individual finger tips? Would you expect the leath...

Tom B.

Enrico, In your latest posting (the which I should have read again before posting) you mention tabs on the wrist plate. I have not seen these, but I do not have Matthias' book. How many examples have you found? This seems like a good place for attachment, but, as I said above, I have not seen it. L...

Tom B.

I am not too sure that these are glove attachment points but I did find some interesting "extra" holes on the 2nd mitten lame up from the finger tips on A60. The holes are on either side of the middle finger. They seem to be only on the right gauntlet.

Tom

Tom B.

After looking through Matthias Goll's book I don't see any additional attachments, between gloves and steel, on these style gauntlets apart from the ones already mentioned. 1. Finger tip leathers (including thumb) 2. Tabs on either side of metacarpal plate 3. Gauntlet cuff 4. Outer edge of large thu...

Tom B.

I did not realize that the use of splinted arm defenses enjoyed a resurgence in the 1410s.

Look at Talbot's Effigy Analysis

Tom

Tom B.

"...researchers asked four participants, who regularly re-enact battles for the Royal Armouries in Leeds..." I have my doubts as to the accuracy of this statement. I believe they used the fellows from Leeds that joust and do the stage combat at the museum. The harness in the video looks f...

Tom B.

It was also noted that it looks like the vambrace is made from 2 layers.

Tom

Tom B.

Over on the AAF in a thread on Leather Armour Bertus Brokamp shared a very interesting picture. In 1937 a fisherman caught a late medieval chest in his nets, off the coast near Westkapelle. It contained amongst others coins and leather leg and arm pieces. The youngest coin was from 1404-1417. This p...

Tom B.

It's absolutely true that ours is one of the explosive sports where recovery is as critical as anything else. I suggest you look into "Tabbata Intervals" - it's a training/conditioning technique that produces remarkable results very efficiently. I've been left hardly able to stand after o...

Tom B.

Hey Tom, is been so long since I used Flicker, I forgot my password. Can you tell me what the user name was that I used? I forgot that as well . LOL.. Otto Teichmueller's Flickr page It took me a little digging to find it yesterday. I went to Flickr since most of the images in the AA thread don't w...

Tom B.

Thanks James.

I remember the thread, with your gauntlets, well.
Just yesterday looked up your flickr page to look at the photos again.

Tom

Tom B.

Sorry I should have pointed out that those photos are of originals. The darker pair are from the RA Leeds and the others are in the Kunsthistorisches Museum in Vienna. My gauntlets will be like the RA pair. I posted the Vienna pair since they show the finger tip plates that seem to be missing from t...

Tom B.

I have a project under way with an armourer and I am looking for the correct method to attach gloves to late 15th century German mitten gauntlets (see the attached photos) I understand the methods for attaching the glove to leather tabs on the metacarpal, center wrist plates, and outside of the thum...

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