The Armour Archive

Tom B.

And a few more images: Four sets of mail sleeves. Three with short forearms for wear with full enclosed vambraces/lower cannons. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/e-xtYlP-Sat_qAlOGeBOOV2kYfdk8GLc0uTwFJGMqqKYRsgDJ9XF8OKaTtSWgXF7b4jMVU0Kd9p3gQiDSZVjqSyjFDSFdDYuaacP_Q_Gt-pbfIBueFcJqeOiFsz6rnG3gRFYaCHwD...

Tom B.

I am still making custom mail items. See my business Facebook page for more examples Here are some of my latest works (click on images to open higher resolution versions): https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/vkbw1AfnNWoOl8c_yWIhUuCB02BlekkqSq7-KPcTyx8CzCeleW9l9kkYJNw9xzFwGXzdfgXU6T27__Mn-JaJjpOCkrmdii...

Tom B.

Here are more images showing front opening breastplates: Image 51 (click on image to load a higher resolution image) http://wiktenauer.com/images/thumb/b/b9/Cod.S.554_051.jpg/600px-Cod.S.554_051.jpg Image 54 (click on image to load a higher resolution image) http://wiktenauer.com/images/thumb/8/8c/C...

Tom B.

Here is the thread I created for this spinoff discussion:

Front closing breastplate: Paulus Kal Solothurner Fechtbuch

Mac wrote:
Armadillo wrote:Has there been a thread previously on the front opening cuirass shown in several of those illustrations?

-Adair
I don't recall any. Shall we have one?

Mac

Tom B.

This is a spinoff from my thread Close sallet? Paulus Kal Solothurner Fechtbuch Cod.S.554 Let's discuss the front opening breastplates depicted in Paulus Kal Solothurner Fechtbuch Cod.S.554 Wiktenauer page for Paulus Kal Solothurner Fechtbuch Cod.S.554 The Codex S.554 is an early 16th century copy o...

Tom B.

Thanks Mac. That agrees with modern taste, but after looking at 14th century sources, I had been getting a feeling that they were very 'English' at that time. The A 62 in Wien only has five or six scales per finger ... the rest of that armour is so exuberantly articulated, but when they got to the ...

Tom B.

I'm sure that that would work perfectly, but I was trying to stay within the range of things that are easy for the preindustrial craftsman. On the other hand, I suppose that a pretty good approximation of that point could be ground up by hand. Anyone who can sharpen a modern twist drill could do it...

Tom B.

Here's the same procedure, but with a regular old center punch. The slug still shears out, but not quite so readily. A somewhat flatter angle on the point might improve that without loosing the benefit of being able to locate the punch accurately. Mac What if you made something more akin to the pun...

Tom B.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4wjG9R3HW8AGXirPuuPzfcysTCM4mRPKUxTxkmm_mM3pOVSfWhKrPa0Y-WOyNUGC-sllbxXRr0RD-HJVkRNdgSqWOe9GRafhCeJiBHiuBnZOhQOGa0NLl129-MYO5zZZTMDj2ICulfB8MaBMQCs0xEoJBmmt2UM2mSnhpJaEM9hfr6vvEv_TUS5XlTzjLhn4nFwcbSDRbpt7CKy7bSRnnyP4ebPHB5e02_juC5BPWEnGY3WtV7xbkBcdGI9lDtswdYcE4kgDq...

Tom B.

I have not had a chance to look but does Dupras' thesis cover anything on punching holes? At least the photos from his thesis and from Goll's should be a resource for us to look at a larger sample of holes. My Pinterest board of images from Dupras' thesis My Pinterest board of images fromGoll's thes...

Tom B.

Mac,

When will you put the slots in the gauntlet articulations?
I know on the legs you waited pretty late in the process but it seems you said you should have done it earlier.

Tom B.

Another thing to keep in mind, is that often our modern ideas on how much movement and what types of movement are needed does not match with extant examples. I will attempt to link to some videos I have of gauntlets in Wade's collection to show this. The first three videos are of his 1480-90s mitten...

Tom B.

Thanks for the tips! Looking at your picture Wade, the flutes are very subtle and not at all as pronounced as on my pair and with this the restriction in motion amplifies when the flutes don't line up. I had not considered lengthening the slots but since they are already a tad too long I think I'll...

Tom B.

James Arlen Gillaspie wrote:I'm going to start a new thread, or raise an old one. The 100 K limit is cramping my style, as always.

James' New Thread: Rivet holes on real armour - ATTN BLACKSMITHS

Tom B.

My impression is that the slots are not in the perfect location for a closed sallet, but they could be made to work OK. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/81/bc/d8/81bcd87d18242091c2a70faf7b009bdd.jpg Mac For a close sallet, I would have expected the slots to be up higher, but there is ...

Tom B.

here are the photos: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0K-pPY2Du_IjMC9W6JgZCb_nuhx5xBqvQOq8YoxFAOG9G74d_3cXWtpglYzU0SPmfpw2nTy97OC_slRCDjVD6Z9qlIeOo2ww91aXGQcDwOY1LhjxNPuXnCpLFf7lFaOA17xNyv1RHMNBKOjnT22XqnXQ-b2d57oNDHa383_BNeGGO6Y70-T24estuHXzkbKtvauy55HoEwVTr8GOt9DF7HFzGUbtN_FE8BXlZ7ymlGKXbcs3qKYVD...

Tom B.

Here is the full PDF Ref_Arm_1676 From the wallace thumb drive (Catalogue: Mann/Norman 1962/1986) https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/4RwQ1K-rfVQlWbtT3va-UE0R-X96OAbfsNl2k5IXV6-uQGlvSbfHIuYNyxqRhg7n7KpGwbIzusPkYM-R8wyT8UHtqnLeDmhz9ZmC8zgApwklCmSUL0Q3Udp6AGdasie_WKeQcabrBT5RotpYKFGr-bHsx6VrvigzFjiIE1ba...

Tom B.

Jeff J wrote:With integral Bevor?

Yes, exactly.
We have the three extant examples by Helmschmied.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=158086

Tom B.

For what it's worth, here's a bit of working life finish hiding under a liner washer on a North Italian morion from the last quarter of the 16th century. It looks much the same as one I saw under a brow reinforce on an Italian celata of the late 15th century, basically a mirror finish slapped on to...

Tom B.

Mac wrote:DANG! It sure looks like one. Nice find!

The last time I looked at that pic, my attention was fixed on the breastplate.

Mac

Lots of cool stuff in this manual!
http://wiktenauer.com/wiki/Solothurner_ ... Cod.S.554)

Tom B.

There is what looks to be a close sallet in Paulus Kal's Solothurner Fechtbuch (Cod.S.554) Wikenauer Page for this Fectbuch Solothurner Fechtbuch (Cod.S.554) The Codex S.554 is an early 16th century copy of Paulus Kal's fencing manual of ca. 1470. The original currently rests in the holdings of the ...

Tom B.

I found two more images of mail on the legs in Paulus Kal's Solothurner Fechtbuch (Cod.S.554) Wiktenauer Page for this manual Solothurner Fechtbuch (Cod.S.554) The Codex S.554 is an early 16th century copy of Paulus Kal's fencing manual of ca. 1470. The original currently rests in the holdings of th...

Tom B.

The mail sewn to the hose was used into the very early part of the 16th century. The first image here by Dürer (1500): https://www.pinterest.com/grimes0966/la ... t-lancers/ It didn't last much past that from what I can remember, maybe it's not very effective? That was what popped into my mind when...

Tom B.

Lots of interesting images here Ms. moralizing verse; written and illuminated in Austria, probably in Tyrol, in the last quarter of the 15th century. Link to thumbnails of the entire manuscript Unfortunately no high resolution images are available. In particular I am looking at fol. 136r What are yo...

Tom B.

Here is a link to a Google Photos album of the photos I took at the Cincinnati Art Museum: Tom's Cincinnati Art Museum Photo Album A few preview images: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/0GKUbNpVmSBAoFSoP8qSD8n5nHoJ52FmcVZNlUNtUXQ1pxUibkQB29qOOC9TGIsWZehKAGkm0fJoM3CgCcjKs5QYQpW5FbqGzF1dhl7SuW-ziRCfO...

Tom B.

Aaron wrote:OK, they are squashed in a nonsymmetrical fashion, but they actually hold the dou together!

Success!

Without photos I am not sure I can believe you

Tom B.

kyndalAg08 wrote:Many thanks! Would you mind if I shot you a pm later and asked a couple of quick questions?

Feel free to send messages here or on Facebook.

Tom B.

kyndalAg08 wrote:Tom B. that kit is almost identical to what I'm considering doing if I go mid to late 15th century. Do you have any more pictures?

Glad you like it if you do FaceBook take a look here for more photos:
My FaceBook page

Tom B.

12 seperate loads was the only thing that made sense to me but it was not 100% clear, I though that I might be missing something.

Thanks for the detailed explanation

Tom B.

So Mac I have been wondering about your unloading & quenching procedues. For the one item loads it seems pretty straightforward but this looks to be 12 seperate things. Can you explain your procedure and how you arrived at it? So far as I can tell, the hardening went OK. All of the parts were heated...

Tom B.

I will do some more digging tomorrow but I couldn't find an image of A17 from Madrid which is supposed tonhave a similarly constructed back.

Tom B.

I have not attempted any translation of this yet. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/8Sa8mI9DdZRAI1yTdtIDdknPk6Tc-Tlk36_vIcxKUwumxEXWpXRjYk5nfL63PyqA4EVGatDgYZAAfwHJSSKAZ2nR6TmJQL0CqzjGyYR3VOiNi2HlBhMoZoMZos32bgqAXActVJBQqsy-qO5cYaI2IAzOsEtMzxXt6653KR07CKnS82OPipNQYpVuiQ315TEt8IgAJ_X5SGASktDb0AtbFCtv...

Tom B.

More info from Resplendence of the Spanish Monarchy https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/YbFNeVol8PkEsJ_Ez01mjDJ-vB3u-0k9IUo5ofXwRIYtJogXeAcOy7loqJCFJcMSTyPqDHwoJSPd8F1R81royU8ekDStLj98RLQCPbwOg9x3S1MxJVScmeaDBAtMQBNbj1xeEp12VQDyjrFQoHaX5UNK0cWlbc4Qg3JO3kw9dCsxg5Kt6gUygsO3V_POdmdr_8Ez5cSl2j9FSmvvDy1i0M...

Tom B.

Image from the Invantario Illuminado
(click to open zoomable high resolution version)

Tom B.

What is interesting to me here is the buckle. This may be common but this is the first time I have noticed it. It looks to me like the strap and buckle were mounted to a single point. I envision the leather belt anchored to the breastplate with the same rivet as the buckle. The belt would wrap all ...

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Some photos from a visit to the Cincinnati Art Museum

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