The Armour Archive

Adamo

I'm interested in flat stainless, as per our PM.

Adam

Adamo

When I was looking to get a Norman I contacted James River Armory, but I didn't buy one because I didn't like the way the helm looked in the pictures.
But that looks great! And now I feel like a heel.
And I'm still looking to buy a Norman or a Phrygian...what did this hat cost?

Adam

Adamo

Congrats Lord Marc on the accolade, watching the video of you fighting bastard sword vs s/s is awesome. What are you using for a cross and pommel on your sword? It looks like hose for the crossguard, I have no idea what your pommel is. Saburou, I saw one of your fights at Mudthaw, you're no slouch e...

Adamo

I'd imagine you could drill a hole at the end of each line of the cross, then use a rotary tool to cut off the material inbetween the holes and then clean & square the ends with a file.

Adam

Adamo

"Doe" here on the Archive is supposed to be his secretary, IIRC.

Adam

Adamo

Saburou,
Could you post a link to those fights?

Adam

Adamo

Some updated information from the autocrat: Please note that if you intend to stay for the feast, reservations are a MUST- saying in this thread that you will attend is not considered a reservation. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To all good gentles, Rumors are afoot of armies gathering to lay siege to ...

Adamo

It's kinda hard to tell, but that mail doesn't look all that flat.
I wish I knew more about this stuff.

Adam

Adamo

It'll be over a tunic, going for the early 12th century Italo-Norman look. If I go with aluminum, it'll be anodized or etched, so it won't look like aluminum at all.

Once finals are over this week, I'll be itching to practice. Don't worry, I'll be in contact.

Adam

Adamo

I'm between purchasing stainless lamellar from WMA or anodized aluminum from eldesar.com. The only real difference I could think of is that the aluminum might scratch easier, but since it is thicker it might damage the lacing less. I'd imagine that the weight would be similar, since the stainless wo...

Adamo

I eventually plan to get a mail shirt as well but I'm gonna save up for some welded Ti. Welded titanium would be awesome, but it's way pricey - I'm still a student. Plus, I was quoted a welded stainless short-sleeved hauberk at around $800 from Atlanta Armory, I'd expect to pay loads more for Ti. A...

Adamo

Unfortunately I couldn't find any other helms remotely in my budget that would be right, since I have such a small head. I might be tempted to see if there's anything they can do to help, as freiman suggests, but I live in Canada , so the cost of shipping back and forth over the border is pretty ph...

Adamo

Audax,
Nice look.
For myself I'm imagining something similar, except lamellar instead of scale and eventually I'd like to put a maille shirt under it.
I just got a quote from Atlanta Armory and Sir Theo (at eldesar.com).

Adam

Adamo

Acceptable time period for Acre is 1000-1500 AD.
I'm shooting for around 1100.
Half of my real family is Sicilian, so I'd be fine with claiming a southern Italian origin.

Adam

Adamo

Thanks for sending me the e-mail, I sent him one.

Originally I used the one from the website, @adelphia.
The other e-mail seems to work.

Adam

Adamo

Well, my idea is to portray (at least while in armor) the kit of a Norman in the Holy Land around this time period. I came to this because the group I'm part of, Kingdom of Acre, is supposed to be representative of a crusader kingdom...hence the name. Thanks for all of your help, keep it coming! Adam

Adamo

The website is http://www.eldesar.com/

I sent an e-mail and it bounced.
Does anyone know of a way to get in contact with them?

Adam

Adamo

audax wrote:In addition Normans had been fighting as mercenaries in Moslem and Byzantine service for many years and had encountered and used lamellar as additional proof against arrows.

That was the impression I was given by the book. Would you happen to have any other sources for this?

Adam

Adamo

On the last pic, the one showing the hinge, what is it re-inforced with?

It doesn't look like the cut of the thin leather is radiused at all, it looks like it could tear.

Adam

P.S.-They do look neat though.

Adamo

Nicolle, David. The Normans. New York: Osprey, 1987. 41.

The book cites as follows:
"carved relief, very early 12th cent., north door of Church of St. Nicholas, Bari."

Adam

Adamo

Good point.
This isn't for a six-foot sword, I'm thinking more of a bastard sword.
Though any input is appreciated.

Adam

Adamo

So my Osprey "The Normans" book shows a picture of armor c. 1100. There are Normans on crusade wearing lamellar over a hauberk. Are there other sources for this? The book shows what appears to be leather, steel, and brass lamellar, but states that the brass was most likely decorative. Woul...

Adamo

How far from the cross guard do you like the weapon to balance?

Adam

Adamo

They look really nice. This is just curiosity. About the price, once you buy the plastic and leather to cover it with and the rivets to "splint" it, how does the material costs compare to steel? I have no idea how easy/hard plastic is to work compared to steel though. Adam P.S.-Your tutori...

Adamo

I've never heard the buzz plate solution, but it makes sense. Sounds similar to what I've heard, which is to peen a brass rivet in the helm, but give it a little room to vibrate. I'd assume that the location of the source of the ringing is where you'd want the rivet/buzz plate. What type of helm is ...

Adamo

Same as Cedric.

Adam

Adamo

PM sent.

Dibs on the Forth armory stuff.

Adam

Adamo

jokerjesse,
Where are you located?

Are you looking to build a new kit or replace something specific? As was said before, there are MANY armourers on the net.

Adam

Adamo

I just ordered a stainless aventail form him a few weeks ago. He responded to both of my e-mails within 1-2 days.
Perhaps your e-mail is being dumped into a spam folder?

Adam

Adamo

I believe that MSR uses melee as part of their king selection. You should ask how well it works for them and what logistics they employ. MSR does it differently, as was pointed out earlier. Crown Tournament has three rounds, done on three different days. First round is double elimination single com...

Adamo

I got a PM from him a few days ago. My order arrived yesterday.
So he's still around.
Adam

Adamo

bump

Adam

Adamo

It might've been deleted in the crash a month or two back, but Otto of Otto's Armory had written up a tutorial about how he makes his bargrills. It's pretty intuitive, take a look at his helms on his website or Stonekeeps to get an idea, or PM him through the Archive maybe. It was a weldless method....

Adamo

PM sent.

Adam

Adamo

If I order just the articulated knees, are they made to size? Or are they standard and the cuisses are the custom part? I'm interested in the knees, but they would be for a smaller person.

Adam

Lamellar Material

Contacting Eldesarian Metal Works

Re: Armor of Outremer c. 1100

Armor of Outremer c. 1100

Building an SCA-style Great Sword