The Armour Archive

Steve S.

Schreiber: I agree with you entirely; just a note to let you know you quoted me quoting Jeff. The passage you are attributing to me is not my sentiments on the subject. Rather, as I tried to say above, I agree with Jeff that the medieval armours didn't understand the chemical structure of their meta...

Steve S.

Yup, I'm with Matt - I do it by eye, too. Basically, the more that sticks out, the more work it takes to make it into a rivet head. More work = sucks, so you try and leave as little as needed to make a good rivet head. Of course, if you don't leave enough material the rivet head will be substandard ...

Steve S.

Looks very good to me.

Steve

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Steve S.

Jeffrey: I'm not sure I understand your critisicm of the book. They plainly explain the lack of true understanding of the nature of steel early in the book, as when they say: "...it was known that steel was a much more versatile material, but its relationship with iron was not understood. It was tho...

Steve S.

This is a great book on armour metallurgy, including heat treating: Williams, Alan & de Reuck, Anthony. The Royal Armoury at Greenwich 1515-1649 A History of its Technology. The Trustees of the Armouries: Leeds 1995. ISBN 0-948092-22-X You can get it here: http://www.armouries.org.uk/publications/bo...

Steve S.

Yeah, why? I didn't see any particular things to gripe about. I signed up though!

Steve

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Steve S.

Wow, looks great! If it would stand up to our combat, that would be wonderful! I'm with you, Rev! Any time you can have choose a commercially manufactured item over a grown "natural" item you will get less variability. I've long wondered why we didn't use some kind of engineered thermoplastic for ma...

Steve S.

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Steve S.

"...and zapped a stop sign into a nice round shield..." Just a word to folks who might not know otherwise - don't go take down street signs! If you take a stop sign down from an intersection guess what - cars won't stop! You can cause a serious, even deadly accident. I'm sure all of you folks do th...

Steve S.

I agree, you always have to take authenticity claims with a bit of salt. But after seeing many similar suits in person, if this is a fake it's a damn good one. I'd charge over $1000 for it to make one new ! http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif Steve ------------------ Forth Armoury The Riveted...

Steve S.

We call 'em "Points of Chivalry" down here. Best way I heard it described was this (I believe from Sir Rodger van Morville): "If you're going to give up advantages during combat, you had best do it for every opponent you fight. Otherwise you are saying to one set of fighters they are a great ...

Steve S.

Ah - too bad. There was a fighter at the Pas last weekend at Magna Faire in Alabama that was wearing a beautiful pig-faced basinet that he said came from Cold Steel Armoury. I was hoping to see a product catalog to see prices and other work. Steve ------------------ Forth Armoury The Riveted Maille ...

Steve S.

It's difficult to say the ring size from the picture, but I'd say between 5/16" and 3/8" ID. These rings are bigger and much better than my suit. For that matter, the entire suit is in much better condition than mine. You can see mine here: http://www.forth-armoury.com/photo_gallery/Yushman/yushman....

Steve S.

What do you attach the ailletes to? The surcoat? The maille? The gambeson underneath?

Steve

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Steve S.

I believe it. Note the bidding may have started at $150 but there is a reserve of who knows how much. I own a similar (though not nearly as nice) armour myself. It is thought to be a 17th-18th century armour. I believe this is a genuine piece from the pictures. Steve ------------------ Forth Armoury...

Steve S.

I'm looking for a link to Cold Steel Armoury. Anyone have it?

Steve

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Steve S.

You can see pictures of my first riveted aventail here:
http://www.forth-armoury.com/photo_gallery/Aventail/aventail.htm

Steve

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Steve S.

What you are looking to make is also often called an "aventail". It's a common 14th century maille defense that attaches to the bottom of the helm. Usually it attaches to leather, and the leather is attached to the bottom of the helm. Your helm will need a series of studs around the bottom edge of t...

Steve S.

I used the 3M spray adhesive; it works but I think contact cement would work better.

Also; use a nice heavy canvas.

Steve

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Steve S.

Great looking stuff! I'm not going to go into a long dissertation about it, but as you've already noted, more armour in the SCA isn't much of an advantage. You bear all the negatives (weight, movement) but gain no advantages for doing so. It is possible to be an excellent figher, and even become an ...

Steve S.

I'd seek professional anvil restoration advise. One option might be to have a machine shop use a special kind of grinder to re-finish it. I forget what this machine is called but it water-cools the object being ground and leaves a very smooth surface to the object. Steve ------------------ Forth Arm...

Steve S.

Oops! You are right!

Steve

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Steve S.

It wasn't but a few years ago and riveted maille was all but unheard of. Today, many people seem to at least be dabbling with it. I'm curious: For those of you who are working with riveted maille, what prompted you to do it, and where did you learn how to do it? Steve ------------------ Forth Armour...

Steve S.

To quote Andrew Dice Clay: "No, it's that big ass you're sporting that makes you look fat!"

Steve

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Steve S.

All: I did a bit of computer work today and did some FEA (finite element analysis) work to compare the strength of butted rings of different IDs and wire thicknesses. You can view the entire article here: http://www.forth-armoury.com/research/fea_butted/strength_simulation_.htm http://www.forth-armo...

Steve S.

I'm not sure, I picked it up at an SCA event and after aging it in my closet for a few years I finally used it. I'd say it's about 1/8" thick?

Steve

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Steve S.

"That said, it is perfectly safe to cook in them, provided that you aren't using a highly acidic food (no tomatoes, but tomatoes weren't used in Medieval cooking), and 2. you keep the interior of the pot scrupulously clean. Upon emptying, scrub and polish. They use the stuff safetly to cook food at...

Steve S.

"That said, it is perfectly safe to cook in them, provided that you aren't using a highly acidic food (no tomatoes, but tomatoes weren't used in Medieval cooking), and 2. you keep the interior of the pot scrupulously clean. Upon emptying, scrub and polish. They use the stuff safetly to cook food at...

Steve S.

Or here:

http://www.forth-armoury.com/photo_gallery/Shoes/shoes.htm

Steve

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Steve S.

These are artist renderings, but you get the idea:
http://www.forth-armoury.com/temp/armour_timeline.htm

[img]http://www.forth-armoury.com/temp/armour3.jpg[/img]

Steve

Steve S.

I think I've seen pictures of both. I believe the Churburg suit is shown with a full sleeved shirt of maille with arm harness over it. But I would think that would be a little redundant. I've also seen pictures with the maille overlapping the rerebrace a bit. Steve ------------------ Forth Armoury T...

Steve S.

Not to dissuade you, Clay, but I will be offering ready-to-rivet Euroepan style rings and rivets in about 3 weeks. And I can buy them for less than I was buying spring segments from my spring manufacturer here in the states (and those still had to be annealed, flattened, and punched!) I expect rings...

Steve S.

Will-do, Vitus. Should be here the beginning of January.

Steve

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Steve S.

First of all, no, there is nothing wrong with "time traveling". I do it all the time. Sometimes I portray a 12th century Templar, other times I'm a 14th century nobleman. You don't have to have a "persona" in the SCA. My philosophy is to look good (to whatever standard you are comfortable) we...

Steve S.

"I'm saving my pennies till pennsic will they be there again this year?" This year I was extremely fortunate and blessed that Tom Justice (also a Master, forgot SCA name sorry) put in a good word for me with Master Peter at NorthStar Armoury, who allowed me to display one of my shirts, which ...

link for Cold Steel Armoury

Where did you learn to make riveted maille?

New article - strength analysis of butted rings...