The Armour Archive

Steve S.

At one point I used suspenders to support leg harness, and it did work well. I'd like to stick to a period solution if possible.

Steve

Steve S.

Anyone have any pictures of helms of the era of the Third Crusade that might be suitable for SCA use? I'm thinking a pot helm of some kind with a face mask, with a back wrapper hidden by maille.

Steve

Steve S.

We've talked about this before, but I'm going to bring it up again. :) Many illustrations show maille chausses pointed to the braies the same way that regular hose are. I am going to change my braies to have an actual internal belt, perhaps two inches or so wide. This might distribute the load enoug...

Steve S.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Meridian-Crusade/372043772941290 At Castle Wars last week(end) Sir Wulfric, Sir Richard, and Sir Ingolf led several sergeants in bringing forth a contingent of Templars to fight against the Saracen leaders of the Barony of the South Downs when they refused to accept Ch...

Steve S.

I use my Dremel to get into tight spots.

Generally if it's a two-hand job I try to clamp the work and use my hands on the tool.

Steve

Steve S.

I think any of the metals would be fine. Mine is made of 18GA mild and it works fine. They just don't take that much abuse. The jupon takes more wear than the plates.

Steve

Steve S.

Impressed with the Wisby examples or not, they are an extant example of transitional foot armor (sabatons or sollerets) with plates riveted inside a cover (with the exception of the small rectangular plates which were externally mounted), which is what you asked for. of course that doesn't mean the...

Steve S.

I looked them up last night in the Wisby book. I'm not so impressed with the one there. They are more like top plates for the shoes rather than completely encasing sabatons. The feet in the effigies above are nearly covered with rivets, giving me the impression of much more wrap-around coverage than...

Steve S.

I don't agree that a grill is a grill.

What I mean is, a well-made welded grill isn't any better or worse than a well-made riveted grill.

In that regard, a grill is a grill and both are an anachronism.

I agree that a well-made anachronism is nicer than a poorly-made one.

Steve

Steve S.

Evidently these are now legal at the Society level. Meridies does not allow them.

Steve

Steve S.

Thanks, but I have the book, too.

I didn't remember them in there.

Steve

Steve S.

Hmm. I'm hesitant to chime in on this one. When I taught the Indians to make the wedge-riveted maille, it took a couple of iterations before we settled on the correct size rivet to make sure that a good head was peened on the point. My wife and I spent hours and hours pouring over maille garments hu...

Steve S.

I like the coat of plates style of armours because I don't have to be such a good metal worker.

Steve

Steve S.

A shirt of riveted maille is going to be about $500+. Coifs are about $250+. You'll have to get some extra rings and rivets to do the tailoring, plus the time to do the tailoring. Then the leatherwork for the mufflers and ventail.

I think $1200 is about right.

Steve

Steve S.

Cool, here is another one!

http://effigiesandbrasses.com/821/1128/

Steve

Steve S.

So working with the Wisty #3 gauntlets has gotten me thinking about transitional armour in general. I like splinted and other armours with the plates riveted to a foundation garment.

Are there examples of sabatons done in a similar fashion, with the plates inside a covering?

Steve

Steve S.

There is something similar here with the "I want to be a..." forum: http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=14 Usually this focuses on the historical ways to replicate impressions but there is sometimes discussion of how to manage it within the limitations of the SCA also. I think it ...

Steve S.

Nice tools as usual!

Steve

Steve S.

Looks nice to me.

Steve

Steve S.

I'm guessing the "coat of plates" is just to give you more protection than the lamellar alone? You shouldn't need it. I agree with Swete that the grill is a grill. I personally like the riveted-on ones as they are at least within the realm of period construction technique but I would not bother remo...

Steve S.

I have one almost ready to go. I just stripped out the leathers to polish it, which I have done. It's got an integrated coif and mufflers. Mild steel all-riveted. Fits me at 260 pounds.

I'm thinking about $1200.

Steve

Steve S.

My point is that if a Norman knight wanted an iron cuirass at Hastings then there seems to have been no technical reason why he couldn't have had one. You are absolutely right. There was no technical reason why they could not make large sheets of metal, and no doubt it was sometimes done. You could...

Steve S.

I'm not so sure about this any more. We have iron solid plate cuirasses dating back to the Hellenistic period (one was found at Vergina and another at Prodromi) and contemporary documents mention other examples. We have one piece helmets dating to the 10th century that would have required an iron p...

Steve S.

Hello WWIngvarr, What grade level are we talking about here? For a fantastic overview of the evolution of European arms and armour I highly recommend Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight by David Edge and John Miles Paddock. It is available used for around $15, or you can check a library: http://w...

Steve S.

Ironmonger's stuff looks much better.

Thanks for the link!

Steve

Steve S.

It looks smaller than most,

It's for my 7-year-old daughter.

Yes, I did it all cold. I've got a T-Rex burner from Hybrid Burners that I bought back in 2002 - I'm figuring out how to get it set up so I can do hot work.

Steve

Steve S.

These look great! You are next on my list of people to emulate!

Steve

Steve S.

It annoys me when they don't put prices on a web site.

Steve

Steve S.

I was looking around at ball stakes on the web and found this site:

http://www.ottofrei.com/Stakes/

Nice looking stuff!

Steve

Steve S.

Note how Steve says he used thin stainless a lot.

It's all mild.

Steve

Steve S.

Better, but still not achieving that gothic arch side profile. I think it should be deeper still.

http://imgur.com/a/I8dUb

Steve

Steve S.

This always gets me nervous. I know that in other parts of the world people aren't trying to knock each other's blocks off like they are in Atlantia and the East. But the thought of wearing something with little floating plates on it makes me nervous. Back in the day I got to see an x-ray of a frie...

Steve S.

Looks good to me!

I have always liked riveted-on bars instead of welds. I figure if you are going to have anachronistic hardware at least make it period-plausible with construction.

Great job!

Steve

Steve S.

Thanks, Thorgar. I am following in the steps of Master Brian (Knitebee here on the Archive). This was a prototype for me. I used 18GA (.035") mild throughout. I suspect that this would work fine for SCA combat and is probably a close approximation to what was used in period. I can't remember the det...

Steve S.

That must be it! I remember something about Italy, now that you mention it.

Steve

Re: What to point maille chausses to?

Helms of the Third Crusade?

What to point maille chausses to?

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Nice looking commercial stakes.

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