The Armour Archive

Tailoress

Quilting/padding- my fault. Doing my best, but still- IÃ‚Â´m struggling with a foreign language;o) You're doing way better than me; my German SUCKS! If I'm having a good day, I might be able to count to twenty in German... But don't ask me to remember the gender of your nouns. One of these days I'l...

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You really don't want big lumpy buttons under your armor, for several reasons. Me personally, no, I don't, but there do appear to be several effigy examples and painted examples out there to ponder over, including good old Walter, who is the inspiration for the start of this thread... But, that asi...

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Tiny bits of commentary, but nothing of real substance to add, as I'm really not up on German specifics for this area. Learning a lot from this thread, though! 1) Ivo, you mention that the quilted bit under Hohenklingen's helm is a cover for an aventail, but I've asked this before to this forum and ...

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Argh! This looks like a wonderful thread, and I don't have time to read it right now, but in the words of Arnie, "I'll be back." Hee hee. And Malcolm, that is rather nice of you to say, but honestly, I am what I would call an extremely enthusiastic amateur in this area. :^D That won't stop me from a...

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There's no doubt that Medieval Elvis would wear that cotte proudly! It's mostly white, satin, and sparkly in spots. What's not for Medieval Elvis to love?

-Tasha
PS -- No, the cotte was too loose on you, Jeff, too long. It was nice and short and tight on Kelson.

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I need to find those Elvis pics of you...

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You've been looking up Muriel's past posts, haven't you? Thinking, "who IS that masked woman?" Hahahahaaa... She's talented, eh? Anyway, I bought the cotte back from Kelson, and now it's hanging in my closet. He couldn't continue wearing it for the previously mentioned overheating/sweat problems. I ...

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Oooh, those are very, very yummy! The One True Century will prevail.

-Tasha

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Ivo wrote:(I wonÃ‚Â´t fill in any specific term, otherwise IÃ‚Â´ll get a solid spanking from Charlotte)

Is someone confusing us again? You sure you don't mean me?

-Tasha

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I'm in it for the big social good time with my friends, frankly, and some of them are duke types and some don't have AoAs yet, and it's all the same to me. I personally don't really feel comfortable with regalia and all that stuff (mostly because the way it's done in the SCA isn't really appropriate...

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Thanks for the link to that topic, Karen. It was interesting and informative for late 15thc use of the word "kirtle". I do think that you and also David Key would appreciate that dissertation I mention above, as it fills in another puzzle piece, i.e. literary use of the term (well beyond Chaucer), a...

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The details of descriptive words for womens underthings in the 15th century bore me - kirtle, smock, chemise -- whatever. Linen underthingie, if you prefer it. As I said, unless the definition of kirtle changed significantly in the 15thc, it does not mean a linen underthingie. I wish it weren't bor...

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Seconded! Your group has been really fun to watch as it develops. Your commitment and attention to detail is inspirational. Now we just need to get you guys plane tickets to come to Jehan's event in 2007! And Mel's kit rocks, 'cause she's early 15th too, and I looooove me some early 15th! (I think m...

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Black Swan Designs wrote:Anyway, it will be interesting to see if anyone picks up on the hula skirt, or if it becomes the latest medieval dressup fad.

Gwen

At Pennsic, you can probably be sure of it.

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This is way too interesting for it not to be a separate thread, and probably in the Historical section. Maybe Glen can take the pieces from this braies off-shoot and stick them in a new thread on Historical?

-Tasha

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Are you going to answer my question about how you are defining jupon? Maybe you overlooked it, or maybe you're ignoring me, but just in case, I figured I'd give you the benefit of the doubt and ask again.

-Tasha

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worn over a linen kirtle, Do you mean a smock/chemise? I tend to think of a kirtle as a clothing layer beyond "under wear". That seems to be how the literature of the time describes it too, unless the meaning has changed by the late 15thc (which I don't know much about). ... in a 15th century conte...

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I didn't write this:

Or, perhaps even harder to answer - what's the difference between a coat and a jacket?

Gregoire de Lyon did.

-Tasha

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James, in that first picture I'm seeing a woman in the foreground with what looks like a fur-lined over-gown (see the V-neck looking part of it?), with a purfelled (matching fur) hem on her short sleeves, and a long-sleeved gown underneath. What are you seeing? Is there another woman in that picture...

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Oh lord, that previous post sounds ominous of me! I don't mean it that way -- I'm not about to put some sort of smack-down on you, sorry. I just mean that I am completely confused and suspect that if I respond without further explanation from you, we'll talking at cross-purposes and it'll be a "who'...

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this definative existance of a jupon vs. a segmented cuirass in light the rest of the armor..seems harder to buy. Not saying youre wrong Al, just driving that contextual approach. A jupon seems out of place in this picture . I also know of another similar to it that I believe has another knight wea...

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That looks absolutely fantastic. YAY!

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some seem to attach arms/ legs to the "padded gambeson" via points.....while another school opts for the otherwise unpadded sleeveless arming doublet with points. So if you go with the latter sleeveless doublet with points, where are the arms attaching? Here's a third option, and it's what I like t...

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The Keinbusch garment is most definitely much later -- at least mid-16thc, but also quite possibly 17th century. Unfortunately, it's not currently on display at the museum. Must bug people about that...

-Tasha

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Relying on art alone as evidence for medieval activitis is as amature as it gets - sorry to be blunt, but that is a fact. Research it's not, not when it is the sole source taken for evidence - especially when other sources of evidence exist. Throwing out the good for the sake of the perfect. Not a ...

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Guy Dawkins wrote:I call mine an arming coat.
Altough I can spell pourpoint I can't pronounce it.

Go for "poor Pwann" and no-one will kill you, not even the French, though they may smirk a tiny bit.

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Sabine--- The bulk of the TrÃƒÂ¨s Riches Heures was indeed painted in the early 15th c, but the manuscript was left unfinished and was not completed until the early 1480s by Jean Colombe. In the 12 illuminations of the months Colombe painted November (a solitary hunter) and the lower half of Septem...

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Yes, yes, we're all a bunch of overly-sensitive disagreeing bastiges! I offer here a recent snippet from me, over in OT, in response to James B concerning the G63 garment: As for it being an SCA thing, Historic Enterprises has done more than just about anyone else to popularize that style, both with...

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Damn skippy, Grimstone! It's rather exasperating to try to pin down that moving target of clothing terms used in the period under study. I tend to default to the most generic, descriptive term I can find, simply out of dread of being forced to explain why I'm using a documentably historical term tha...

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Alcyoneus wrote:I insist.

Hah!

Some other time, some other thread... it's not on-topic for this one.

(Not weaseling out, just trying not to fully hijack Doug's thread.)

-Tasha

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Klaus the Red wrote:I don't have all the answers, but I figure between myself, Tasha, Gwen and a few others, we have about 75% of them...

I would love to think we have that percentage of the answers, but something tells me we don't!

It's gorgeous (the cotte, that is!).

-T

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So I'm not saying that the knot didn't exist or wasn't used, I am just wondering if it was a common as it is in reenactment societies today. Yup, totally understood now. My peeve, expressed in my first comment on this thread (but not clearly enough, that's for sure) is that sometimes we throw out t...

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Finnacan has the right of it. All the period depictions I have seen have the belt *BUCKLED* and then "knotted" while the belts being sold to clueless new folk have no tongue. Thomas I think that's the real issue -- that this "re-enactor's knot" got a bad name because a not-so-historically-supportab...

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chef de chambre wrote:[The best sort of evidence is pictorasl, coupled with extant objects, full sized replication in sculpture, and written documentation - when you begin to combine the evidence, a case becomes more powerful.

Absolutely. No argument here. It's a life's work, though. No-one is ever finished, IMO.

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Just be prepared to have "experts" tell you you're wrong. The only way these reenactor traditions are broken is by folks like you who are brave enough to challenge the status quo, so go for it! Wow, we agree on something. I love it when people are brave enough to challenge the status quo by taking ...

Re: early 15th century Pourpoints, Arming Doublets, Gambeso