The Armour Archive

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Hi Owen, Last I checked, I had the right to hold an opinion on a topic and people can judge wether my opinion is valid or not. I argue the case for the importance of the 'panoply', or the entire system of combat relevant to the martial art of the era represented in the HWMA community - which I am to...

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Hi Owen, My point, which I thought was obvious, is that striving for historical accuracy can be fun. On this board, it is often assumed that pursuing such a goal is not fun - this was specificaly alluded to in the post I replied to. If I didn't think what I did for a hobby was fun, I would chose ano...

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Hi Destichado, I will have been collecting armour for 5 years in July. My first piece was a Valentine barbute, got in July '97, now in the collection of Jeff Fulton (aka Bascot). It took me, say 2 1/2 years to complete my current harness, and this torso/arm replacement (due to a fit problem - Mac pi...

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Hi Hammered Wombat, The forge welding two crests together is a very mid - late 16th century thing, usually found on burgonets, and more so on morions. On earlier stuff (with lower crests, and rarther keels), it is invariably raised. There are a couple of 15th century barbutes (not the Venitian for t...

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Hi Bolverksson,

The historical method is to raise them out of the bowl.

I would encourage you to try that method. It will make you the better armourer in the end.

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Bob R.

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Hi Shameless, The accolade, the honours, and the respect are public. If you disgrace the chivalry, the dishonour should be public as well. It is the way it was done historically, and the "chivalry" in the society has a similar position of power through influence. If one is a member of the "chivalry"...

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Hi All,

Buying cookware for the camp.

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Hi Vitus, I understand that it is the journey that matters, and we can never arrive. God knows we have (and no doubt in future) will butt heads on any number of things, but I have always admired your "journey" to hold to the ideal you hold dear. Perhaps someday we will be able to "advance chivalry" ...

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Hi Sarnac, On the contrary, I do not despise the SCA. That I chose not to participate in it, principly because I would be unhappy at events because of what to my view is a lack of interest in authenticity, and a mixing of period. Because of the lack of focus, the Society does not interest me. Were I...

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Hi FrauHirsch Bob, et al, It is good to here there is public disciplining of some offenders in the ranks of the peerage in some kingdoms. It is more in line with the chivalric ideal espoused than to let an offender slide, or be quietly reprimanded in private. Would it not make a very strong statemen...

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Hi Reinhard, Actually, there is a wealth of documentation showing barbutes to have been worn principly by infantrymen in 15th century Italy, from "The Rout of San Romano", to a number of painted cassone chests, and wall murals. I think you are right in saying it was probably a lighter helmet worn wh...

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Hi All,

Nope, the flute is not a weld, it is raised with a chisel, and it isn't finished yet. No welding on the cuirasse at all.

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Bob R.

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Ok, If the "chivalry" is indeed a "chivalry", and people are elevated to the honour through the active promotion and consent of members of the chivalry, then it is reasonably an honour that can(and should) be taken away from a proven evil-doer or unchivalrous lout. If Chivalry and the honour of Chiv...

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I posted the question seperately. If it is "not to be discussed here", then it is not a public reprimand or punishment - in effect, a slap on the wrist in an "old boys" club. Again, if any wish to address the question, it has been placed on a seperate thread. Please respond there rather than on this...

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At the request of Brodir, I am posting this in a seperate thread, so as not to detract from the ongoing debate regarding weapons forms appropriate to persona. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Out of curiosity, has the Society ever...

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Hi Murdock, Were there some award for authenticity, you would see more people pursuing it. Every time we see a peer post on this board, a flurry of bum-kissing begins. From my observations over the past 5 years, pursuing authenticity within the Society is to make one a "marked man" - to be labled an...

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Huzzah for Brodir!

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Bob R.

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In Addition, Any persons 'persona' who is of a warrior caste of the station of a knight would be very competant or masters of a variety of weapons. This mastery of appropriate 'panoply' should give a plethora of expertise for a authenticity minded SCA knight to teach. In example, a 10th or 11th cent...

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Why is it that people seem to think that the only way to "HAVE FUN" is to make a historical hash out of things? Cannot doing something the historically accurate way BE FUN? I certainly think it can be and is. If you want to play a LARP, then so be it, if you then try to claim it's historically accur...

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Hi All, here are some further pics of progress on my harness. You can see the depth of the raising done on the breastplate, the development of the fleur finial of the plackart (Jeff has nailed the shape of the original fleur on this breastplate to a "T"), and the development of my cannons of the vam...

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Hi Khan, Actually, yes. Both written documentation, and pictures. For written documentation, a barbute is listed amongst the helmets that can be worn by the mounted man-at-arms in the Abbeville Ordinance of 1471. In addition, a letter is extant written by Sir John Paston to the armourer in the servi...

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Hi All, What Erik said, and in addition - There is some evidence that this is a specific style of helmet, produced in Venice, and exported to their colony in Dalmatia, where it was the favoured form. A good deal of iconographic evicence from that neck of the woods, in fact. What I would say you are ...

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Hi Lodhur, The grills for this type of club-tourney helmet are metal, along with a grille like framework of metal for the helmet itself, upon which the cuirbolli is overlaid and attatched. An extant example of same can be found in the MET, on permanent display. Don't have a catalog number, but it is...

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Hi Michael,

You beat me to it. The technical term for it is a "winding", and it even occurs in Fiori's tradition - where a similar move is used to disarm, but is commonly found in German masters techniques.

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Bob R.

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Hi Joseph, Yes, you can have a very good idea of how a knight would have been attired for the Agincourt campaign, and several decades later. The normal dress for a man of the early 15th century would consist of a linen shirt and "braies" (medieval boxer or jockey shorts with a draw string waist rath...

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Hi Joseph, The only way you can find out about that particular monument is to hopefully find record as to it's building. Some tombs were paid for and built by the person it was intended - the artists and workmen being very closely supervised, some were made after their death - sometimes decades afte...

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Hi Jake, Mac had a site that had some patterns on it once, it would be foolish to weld two flat pieces together to raise them! The blank for an armet is an oval, with what looks like a frying pan handle off the back (the neck strap). The armets bowl would be shallower than the sallets, as the depth ...

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Hi Alcyoneus,

Was the breastplate in question mild steel? Or was it a hardend piece. It makes a world of difference.

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Bob R.

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Hi Joseph, Under normal circumstances, being a knight, and thus possesing a coat armour, he would bear his own arms. Definition here is important, livery marks a mans property and servants, and would be worn in normal circumstances by the retainers of the Duke of Gloucester, in this instance. More c...

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Hi Jean-Paul,

I stand corrected. He obviously wanted to hear from the 'want-nots' as well.

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Bob R.

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Hi Vitus,

Just to clarify, I haven't participated in the AEMMA tournament in NY, because I couldn't afford the costs this year. I intend to attend next year, and I'll let you know how it goes.

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Bob R.

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Hi Fearghus, A barbute was typicaly an infantrymans helmet (witness the "Route of San Romano" panels), and would more likely have been worn with little armour - going by mid 15th century Italian paintings. I'd say it would be much more likely to wear one with a mail shirt and brigandine than a full ...

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Hi Lochlain, I could be really mean-spirited, and say that the "football bargrill arrangement" sounds to be the caliber of typical SCA documentation ("I saw a picture somewhere, sometime"), but I'll refrain from giving in to my headache induced pique, and assmue that you can provide said documentati...

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Hi Sarnac, I suppose it depends on "when and where", but I'd like to see you document plate penetration - the tests the Royal Armouries have done regarding the sort of harness worn post 1450 wouldn't indicate ANY _likely_ penetration from a normal war bow on a full harness, and penetration being mos...

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Hi Cedric, Bargrills were rare, and were a form of tournament armour. They did not appear on kettlehats or spangenhelms. There is only one late 14th/early 15th century source showing a bargrill to have ever been used on a normal bascinet, and those people who care about documentation (both in and ou...

Does the SCA ever police it's peerage?