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IN brigandines 50-75 years after the statue, the plate overlap reverses within the defence itself, which helps to give it the waisted shape. I have no doubt that this might occur, and probably would occur in so late an example of a coat of plates, which is highly shaped, and not a tube as the Wisby ...

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It irks me that this has not sold. What sort of helmet is this? When and where was it used? That dual ridge is interesting, what does it mean in terms of the style? Just interested in getting some talk going about this helmet because I think that raised peices are great. Best, John South German mar...

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I have a few more pictures on photobucket, this time with my new arming doublet which is a bit thinner than the old one. http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n183/Jon_Terris/Armour/DSC02750.jpg A friend who is visiting tried a few test shots with a wooden waster, it will be quite interesting to fight...

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Mel Gibsons movie bears about as much resemblence to Mezoamerican armour as the costuming in Braveheart.

It is dreadful, there is hardly anything accurate about it.

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A chaperone IS the usual gentlemans hat of the first half of the 15th century.

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What period(s) do you portray? Robert, My persona concept is an early 15th Century Englishman living in the low countries. (So I get the back half of the Hundred Years War, Chaucer and oil painting.) In service, Thomas of Shrewsbury Pendant as a 'jewel' on your chaperone would be the most authentic...

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For something that really looks like it, and doesn't roughly approximate one, I'd reckon between 15 - 20k, and you might get away with 10-15k, if you went Italian export instead. A 'rough approximation' would be cheaper by maybe 5k , depending on how rough you want it. You are talking a German suit,...

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I would second Vegetius and the De Re Militari. Just as Sun Tzu's 'Art of War' is still read by many military men, so too was the Militari read in the middle ages. Granted, it is not a contemporary source, but it does contain things that soldiers in the middle ages still felt were relevant. Sadly I...

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I will agree with that. My intent was to emphasise it is an Eastern general thing moving west, rather than a local development. I think this is an actual solid example of the phenomenon, as opposed to the Niccole idea of everything in the way of armour technology in the West comes from the East in g...

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Wear it pendant from your hat or hood. While earings aren't appropriate, per se, for many eras, there are plenty of late Medieval images of men wearing broaches or jewels pendant from their chaperons or hoods.

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Lovely images...but if I may, an object shown worn on the head doesn't make it a helmet. No matter how fancy it is, it still just a hat...even in a battle. Now, if we had one we could see what it was made of and determine if it could function as a helm. Now, snarkiness aside there is no reason that...

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Hi Halbrust, Sorry for the confusion on my part. Were I you, I would stick to aventail in describing such a defense, if you ever write to inquire at a particular museum. The distinction of definition you have heard sounds like a reenactorisim of a definition. Nobody I am aware of in the community of...

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I'd like to see those sources.

I have seen plenty of images of Mayan warriors, and not a single example of a warrior wearing a 'helmet'. I had one class short of an undergrad minor in pre-Columbian America, and I am pretty familiar with the source material in terms of art, sculpture, etc.

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You will note that those are tubes of mail, covering the front and back and sides, with the mail.

Basically, those are aventails, definitely not veils, or curtains. Some Indo-persian helmets, like Kuli-khuds, have pendant neck guards of mail.

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What do you mean by a 'mail drape'? Your description sounds like some sort of curtain of mail, attatched to and pendant from the front of a helmet. If that is what you are looking for, I don't think such a thing existed. There were a number of styles of coifs of mail out there.

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Hi, Iâ€™m quickly making a brigandine using the scrap leather and stainless steel (and plastic) Iâ€™ve got. And I was sewing up the shoulders of the leather cover for brigandineâ€¦and then I looked at a diagram and it shows that theyâ€™re buckled on! Which is better, buckles at the shoulder or sewi...

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Mayan armour, and indeed, pretty much all Mezoamerican armour that we are aware of, was of the quilted variety. I'd frankly go Aztec rather than Mayan, because at least they have the tradition of the helmet with the elite warrior societies, and trying to put a helmet on a Mayan warrior would look dr...

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To reenforce what Earnest is saying - Most poor knights in a Late Medieval context are poor in the context of being a lowly person barely in the millionairs club, in contrast to Donald Trump, or at the top of the Spectrum, Bill Gates. They are poor in context to other nobility, but wealthy compared ...

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Mail was incessently recycled, cut down to fashionable lengths, and turned into other objects made of mail. A lot of it ended its days as pot scrubbers. The thought that Erik Schmid and others have had is that mail, being a pain to make, and easy to repair, and fitting a range of potential wearers, ...

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All that guy needs is a nice big timex or the like to complete his kit. Yes, I know it is an image of a festival, not a reenactment.

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Personally, I have no problem with stuff made from Home Depot or Lowes' lumber. Wood is wood to me. I am annoyed (and guilty of) when people use raw lumber for tent poles, without even sanding off the paint markings from the lumber yard. Untreated lumber turns ash gray really quickly. I have found ...

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A. Is there/was there a weight difference between a period leg harness and our modern leg harnesses From what I have seen, a significant difference and B. does having greaves make a difference? Having fitted cased greaves with the proper means of affixing cuisse to them makes a significant differen...

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It would be classed as a simple blunt weapon. While it may be smaller than a club, a rock of any respectable size is a much more efficient blunt weapon.

No way would it work as some sort of bolo, a flail like club it is.

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Excellent! It would probably nip together a bit better if you were to wear it over a thinner arming doublet. Did you pattern it yourself? Or use Sinrics for a jumping off point?

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Those two items did not originally go together. I don't know that I would call them a 'forgery', unless tha visor is indeed no good at all. The barbute itself is likely to be good, IMO.

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While tinning was done historically, in the Middle Ages it wasn't done for food safety reasons. Usually tinning was either decorative, or a rust preventative. I can't think of any metal pots or spoons in a Late Medieval context that I am aware of that were tinned.

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All the plates I have seen, and all the plates I think in Thordman, give only indications of a textile on one side of the plate.

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Losthelm has it. there is usually a distinctive front and back on a Coat of Plates, even if they are joined together, the two being refered to as a pair. They were refering to 'peyers of breganderys' in regards to brigandines a century later.

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Bronze or 'latten' is perfectly OK to use, so long as you keep it clean. No verdegris, no problem. Don't eat your spaghetti with it, like Mac says, and you will be A-OK (tomatoes to be avoided, due to acidity). Latten spoons and cookware were a commonplace, and people really only run into trouble wi...

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Fabric for rugs - wool. Colours, deep red, ocher, and blue, and black are what was being used at the time. People like the later floral stuff, but geometric patterns where what was being produced for the most part at the time. There is a fantastic place in Northern Turkey where they make them entire...

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Dan Howard wrote:I went through the 500 thumbnails and randomly selected pics. I couldn't find any armour-related photos.

There ae several cheek pieces, and helmet fittings, but no entire helmet. I suspect that there have been 5 parts of helmets found, rather than 5 helmets.

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Wooden helmets were common in South America. I'm guessing that we are looking at an example of one. really? I was unaware of this, I usually associate native wooden helms with the peoples of the Pacific north west. The Aztecs used them as well, that is what those jaguar and eagle knights were weari...

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That would be a livery cut like a surcoat, definitely not a waffenrock, which would have sleeves.

[img]http://www.wolfeargent.com/johnbuck/handgonne-6.jpg[/img]

Here you go for the image.

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If a fellow happened to be in Ankara for a few days, what reenactment goods might one want to look for? Silks, rugs, metalwork... Rugs would be the most useable thing for your portrayal, I should think. Stick to geometrics, and reds for patterns and colours, as that is what shows up in Late Medieva...

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Nope. I mean something like this. http://historicenterprises.biz/bmz_cache/2/27f4b214b3ee2b17dbcc0e015678aa83.image.750x422.jpg Which of course can be gotten at Historic Enterprises, here. m And can be seen, worn over complete armour (but open), here, on the left, by Wat Tyler http://upload.wikimedi...

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