The Armour Archive

Erik Schmidt

Thanks for the pics Clermont. There are more images of helmets from Chalcis here; http://www.chronique.com/Library/Armour/chalcis.htm The date of c1350 given for the first helmet seems a little early. More like c1380. That style of helm never seems to be shown with a visor in frescos, so it's unlike...

Erik Schmidt

I agree with Otto. I can see no other likely function for them, and it seems they would work well to protect the vervelles and aventail attachment from sword blows down the side of the helm. Personally I have not come across them in any other than N Italian and Germanic effigies and extant bascinets...

Erik Schmidt

Firstly, what year are you aiming for? Hold off on the chausses, as you don't need them with later 14th century leg armour. As mentioned already, you will need a covered breatsplate or CoP if you want a fauld, unless you are going for the look of around 1400. I would disagree with Konstantin on one ...

Erik Schmidt

OK, taking us back to the 14th century. http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif Hugo, I'm not complaining about the books being out of date or innaccurate, just looking for the published data that outdates them. But by all means, feel free to let out your frustrations. Chef, I have, and really li...

Erik Schmidt

Clermont, as Chef said, efigies were represented without the visor and usually also without the attachment points. There a some visors on effigies, but they are uncommon. The reason that you are having trouble finding extant bascinets without mounting points is that almost all of those which survive...

Erik Schmidt

I have often read that certain books contain outdated or incomplete information. I have some of those books, such Claude Blair's book, Thordemann's Wisby book, and some older periodical articles. I research only the 14th century, so I am looking only for information specific to 14th century armour. ...

Erik Schmidt

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by bernwald: so would most great helms have been lined, or setup to fit with say leather straping over a barbute that would be lined <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Greathelms were worn ...

Erik Schmidt

As for greathelms/sugarloafs, they were usually shown under the head on effigies during the 14th century. I have come across a couple of examples where the artist has gone to the trouble of showing the lining inside the helm. One is shown in a linedrawing of the Effigy of Ulrich de Werd, Landgraf of...

Erik Schmidt

What options are open to you will depend on the period, ie. what type of helm.

Erik Schmidt

OK, so you joined the SCA, which shows you are a freak like the rest of us, but this is the part I don't get. You then get yourself a non-period costume and make further alterations without consulting anyone who has researched period clothing, thus joining the throngs of SCAers who did exactly the s...

Erik Schmidt

I agree with Clermont.

Erik Schmidt

How can you possibly hate globose klappvisors?! Here are some pics on Cad's site of one he made; http://www.isd.net/cdavis/current.html Anyway, I made a test piece a while back, just to see if I could form the shape, especially the eyes. I have as yet not got around to making a final one. I dished a...

Erik Schmidt

Konstantin, which helm is that? I have seen one like that in an Osprey illustration, but have not yet come across a pic of the original on which it based. It states it is from the Wallace collection, Italian, dated c1400. This helm is stated as being modified, but I can't think of why they would but...

Erik Schmidt

Now why have I never heard of those?
I didn't know any 14th century bucklers had survived. So much to learn.

Anders, you don't happen to have a reference or pics?

Erik

Erik Schmidt

Ahh, yes, that one.
I know so very little of the post 14th century armours.

Erik Schmidt

Floating cops, I think is the common term.
They were common up to around 1370-80.
In many cases there seems to have been no connection between the cop and the arm defences on either side, each being strapped and/or pointed seperately.

Erik

Erik Schmidt

Clermont, I am personaly convinced that the bars went all the way across, mostly due to the width of the eye slot. I've never seen any jagged occulars in the 14th century and there is another examples of a globose klappvisor with bars still intact.

Erik

Erik Schmidt

I'm impressed! I found one "fault". You state that; "At the next level, for traditional military forces, there was the battle. Think of a battle-line and you have the basic idea. Many medieval battle formations at this time were successive lines/waves of troops." From the reading I have done into ba...

Erik Schmidt

Well, I think it was;
Dark ages, 500-1000
Middle ages(medieval), 1000-1475
I picked 1475 as that is when the true castle pretty much came to an end due to the development of cannon.
I guess Renaissance is after that.

Erik

Erik Schmidt

Doug, you are a wealth of information! You mention "One notable example is a klappvisor mounted pig-faced bascinet in the Hungarian National Museum. It has a push pin catch on the lower right (as worn) side of the visor." Do you have a reference for that piece? I haven't come across it before and wo...

Erik Schmidt

What period?
The type with the boss seems to have commonly been around 11" to 13" in 14th century England.
The sword and Buckler manual, I forget the date and provenance, seems to show them quite a bit larger.

Erik

Erik Schmidt

I know little about the viking stuff, but I do speak Danish, so I had a bit of a look on the web. Unfortunately I drew a blank concerning finds at Lejre(Near Roskilde). There is an experimental viking technology reenactment centre there as well as museums at Roskilde, but the only find mentioned was...

Erik Schmidt

As Cet said. Regarding the shape, the globose klappenvisor is indeed very destinctive, and different from side hinged visors of the same period. Giles, the English had side pivoted visors which were hinged on arms going back to somewhere near the top of the ear. The early side pivoted visors do not ...

Erik Schmidt

The term is simply a bastardisation of the German word, klappenvisier. Some people use klappenvisor for both the globose and houndskull variety while others use it only for the globose type. I'm not sure if the German term was originally limited to one or the other. Personally, I use the term to ref...

Erik Schmidt

Ha, Oak is only called hardwood because you have nothing decent to compare it to! http://www.armourarchive.org/ubb/smile.gif I have a little book on timbers. The oaks I have listed are all around the 600-800kg/m3, the Brazilian one being 600kg/m3, which is classed as 'firm', which is one category ab...

Erik Schmidt

There are many different preferences, some dish directly on the wood without making a bowl.
Personally I like the 100mm(diam)x6mm(deep) and 100mmx8mm for forming helm halves.
I also have a deep, 150mm(diam) one for doing bosses.
I leave the edges square, they become round as you use them.

Erik

Erik Schmidt

I'm a moderator on the above linked site, and I can tell you there are many attempts at modern recreations. If you read through some of the old posts in the appropriate forums, or better yet, try the search fuction, which actually works, you should come across links to sites. There is one US website...

Erik Schmidt

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Albrekt af Viborg: So, if I move my "persona date" to, say, 1375, the helm and arms/legs I have work fine (or even better than 1350). Then I have a choice of a CoP, a simple...

Erik Schmidt

You might want to link to the actual pages instead of the uni home page without any clue as to where to look.

Erik Schmidt

The link doesn't work. There is a book crammed full of illustrations(drawings) from 14th century and early 15th century Eastern Europe. I don't recall the name or Author, but I could find out if someone else can't help. It has a lot of scale in various combinations with maille and plate, but unfortu...

Erik Schmidt

Don't worry, it sounds like you have done some research, and I'll be the first to admit it can be difficult to do thorough research without spending considerable time(and money). Firstly, yes, laminated spaulders are mid 14th century and common in English effigies, but the German effigies don't show...

Erik Schmidt

Yes, very German. The splints on that harness would most likely be based on the effigy of Gunther von Schwartzburg, 1349. The knee and elbow protection looks later(1370's +), and is not the same as that on Gunthers effigy. The helm worn by Gunther has a breteche and is more like this one; http://www...

Erik Schmidt

As SyrRhys said. Your date would fall somewhere around 1360-80 Germanic, if we ignore the gauntlets and spaulders. Within these dates you get the beginnings of breastplates, but a CoP would still be your best bet. There was a very good discussion on this very topic a while back, with dates and speci...

Erik Schmidt

What period(shape)? Are the vervelles already fitted, what kind?

Erik Schmidt

Yes, the visor will hit the chain and it's mounting leather and vervelles.

As for the run and position of the maille, go with Munz's advice.
The effigy of the Black Prince seems to show a typical method of positioning the maille.

Dated armour books, where are the updates??