The Armour Archive

Mac

What about the pegs on each side of the bevor below the thingies? By "pegs" do you mean the structure in the red circle? https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/5u7gC6tt62T7_iQKKTsctJRKlNvmfskgvWSJ0YyBemD3G5fyHCzqUE8OeP3DpwS6zSnFRtFN6bx8WZ4aAQTFtAII6osrQaE_H0AkcaubIviU5QEx_5Cn0zCQag-WdlNX275Hf04ZlrFmQW3M...

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.... but do you think the bevor would necessarily have to rotate to be put in place? Perhaps not, but rotating into place makes a sort of mechanical sense to me. Since the rectangular pad could not be removed without rotating the bevor, and the bevor can't rotate that far with the head inside, it w...

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Just for the sake of exploring the idea of proportion, I have made this sketch. The first head shows the size I think the bevor is, and the second is how big it might possibly be... vis a via a standard head. I've tried to keep the interface with the throat and breastplate as the constant, while alt...

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Here is what I have begun with. My intention was to see whether or not the bevor could be introduced into a helmet by first putting the threaded stem through a hole, and then rotating the bevor forward about 90° to allow the rectangular pad to enter a corrisponding hole in the other side of the helm...

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OK.. You guys have got me thinking bout this, and I'm making sketches.

Already, there is a surprise. I'll post about it as soon as I can.

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Maybe I'm totally wrong, but the mechanics on this seem pretty straightforward. Slide the bolt in the right side of the helmet, compress the springs against the internal sides, and pop the square peg into its female. Once the nut is tightened all the way down, there's not enough play for the peg si...

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It's a very simplified mockup but am I correct in assuming that this is what the technique is? That certainly sums the process up. (I've never done any armour-smithing before, only weapon-smithing) Are you thinking of giving it a go? Perhaps coming at it from a different perspective than the rest o...

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Two layers of nubuck, glued face to face with contact cement, can do a pretty good job of simulating the characteristics of buff. This will only last until the glue fails, but that will get you several years. It's a kluge, but it's better than nothing. Mac True! I have followed your technique in th...

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Two layers of nubuck, glued face to face with contact cement, can do a pretty good job of simulating the characteristics of buff. This will only last until the glue fails, but that will get you several years. It's a kluge, but it's better than nothing.

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The Met is pretty good about giving a lot of views of their helmets. Here are some (admiditly unrelated) helmets that might help you reconcile the front, back, and side views. There are more there, and probably some good ones in the RA as well. https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/22226 h...

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I think you can still remove more volume from the neck and cheeks. Remember you need a lot less room for padding on you cheeks than you do at your temples. Unfortunately, we only seem to have one good front view to go by, but focus on the difference between the roundness of the temples and the compa...

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There is a lot of annoying perspective to deal with in this view. The neck lames are extra annoying. Yep. Those are the hard parts, but you will emerge better for the struggle. Take a deep breath and get into the right side of your head. If you are not making progress and having "ah ha" moments, st...

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They put horse manure on top of the dowels. Comments suggested that this was not universal practice and may be the reason that the stump was rotten - sometimes coal slag / coal dust was used. Both make sense, I guess - coal slag is a pretty efficient vapor barrier but the ammoniac in the manure mak...

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Here is a quick sketch of what I think of a some typical cuisse types. The sketches are over a transverse section of a right thigh at about half way from groin to knee. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9RO79DWch1f0vZ8eE8u9GSaTArYr-cQ4qNJrQLDETDJ19aMFN5NLkXykVHAT8fXEsWYVY2uZ7oH2Waa_opSto5zBFVHoy7ZWh...

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This is the painting that got me thinking, I saw it after the big trip to the KHM. Its a Michael Pacher of Pope Sixtus II and St. Laurence in the Beldevere in Wien. https://bookandsword.files.wordpress.com/2017/11/p1000643_legharness_details_belvedere_wien_4836.jpg?w=800 His lateral wrappers go all...

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Here is a fun tidbit I found following the links from the above video: https://youtu.be/VK5QwqXW_BY?t=988 It resembles the "polishing" sticks from another thread. I'll see if I can find that thread in a bit. I think the resemblance to the polishing sticks is more physical than functional. The stick...

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That's remarkable. They are stacked vessels that taper the "wrong" way.

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For those of you who might contemplate making a trip hammer, here is a video which shows a lot of constructional details. In the video, the smiths are removing and replacing their old anvil steady; a huge log set deep into the shop floor. At around 19:00 we can see why they are doing it. The old log...

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That's looking very nice!

It's delightful to work with a client who's neck is long!

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It would better work with a internal brim locking in a surounding groove :x . Can I get you to make a sketch of that? When I think about it, I keep ending up with something where you would have to open up the top of the collar to put it on or take it off. That sounds like trouble, but maybe it's OK...

Mac

St. George in the Met features something looking a lot like a rotational collar bevor. https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/467786 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/_mm9_vuDgHnIE3IEPLDSrTN9_gigVvfWluuYSqKda9F4ceKXXd3KP3IsEqnH01UM0G2N1-uRlDDpmQGMdIlIOcRHBnI6jfuga8RI16IAXiU4HTJ_dqBSr4-Cz0n...

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Several years ago i made such a combination of bevor and gorget, like it is on the golden st. georg in Nuremberg. You mean this guy? Yes? https://i.pinimg.com/564x/15/2b/80/152b805e560f40003d3e00031b22409e.jpg I think you are right to interpret this as a bevor that rotates on a gorget. If this is t...

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Thank you, Tom!

I wish we could see what's going on under that helmet.....

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Really, you and JAG pointed this out to me in our discussion about linings. In my mind, I’m envisioning one large piece of leather cut in a swooping pattern. This attaches to the cuisse at the top and sides and using similar holes to those we’d discussed and to hidden holes at the top of the demigr...

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That plate looks like something that could cut into you at the lower knee as you flex the joint. Something just doesn't make sense about the lower edge. Could it be mismounted?? .. Since this armor has had a rough afterlife (what, with a fire and all) I wonder if these plates have been installed th...

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Hey guys! I am in need of pictures of the KD garniture, especially the gorget. I am in the middle of researching another closely related suit, but sadly the gorget is a filler piece from the 1800s. Any help would be greatly appreciated as it seems pictures on the internet are being pesky to find. T...

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Perhaps there is an internal piece in the rear of the helmet that makes it work somewhat like the A 79 foot-combat helm, and the bevor, once the falling buffe is dropped, can swing up enough to put the thing on... :? Oh, yea yea! I'm clearly overthinking this. :oops: If the bevor had just enough of...

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Just posting this fellow here because it could help spark ideas. https://www.philamuseum.org/collections/permanent/71326.html?mulR=514228931%7C1 https://i.pinimg.com/564x/16/00/fa/1600fad5d3ffddec10adf7d04bf61fb9.jpg I was just thinking about that bevor. It's a puzzle in its own right. I've handled...

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Perhaps there is an internal piece in the rear of the helmet that makes it work somewhat like the A 79 foot-combat helm, and the bevor, once the falling buffe is dropped, can swing up enough to put the thing on... :? Oh, yea yea! I'm clearly overthinking this. :oops: If the bevor had just enough of...

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....snip....So.. there's one of those turn of the 15/16 C bellows visored sallets with a built in bevor that clamps around the collar. Is that ringing a bell? Where is that thing? Is there a pic in Armature Lombarde? I'll go check. Mac OK, I found it in L' Arte dell Armatura in Italia. It's in Flor...

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Perhaps there is an internal piece in the rear of the helmet that makes it work somewhat like the A 79 foot-combat helm, and the bevor, once the falling buffe is dropped, can swing up enough to put the thing on... :? Oh, yea yea! I'm clearly overthinking this. :oops: If the bevor had just enough of...

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Because these are in deep wooden cases, and Gonzaga's armour was burned black in the fire, the back of the thigh is just not easy to photograph :( Here are the best that I have, I wish my flashlight had been charged when I visited. Thanks, Sean. It looks like what we really need here is someone who...

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I was looking at the Resurrection painting and the fingertips of the left hand jumped out at me. That casts a whole new light on the Churburg 'gothic' gauntlets. They make more sense now. You mean that thing where they don't seem to give a flying faff about protecting your fingertips? I've seen tha...

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I, too, have been wondering about this thing for many years, but despite staring at it for quite awhile the last time I was there, I could make no headway. It needs hands-on. The thing that irks me the most is that I had every intention of taking, and could have sworn I did, a photo of the museum t...

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I believe it actually says that the lost collar is supposed to connect and rotate.. someone with better german can give the whole translation properly.. Fig. 40: Burgonet ("Assault bonnet") for a half harness of Franz von Castelalto (died 1550). The formerly ?cut down? bevor is designed to be indep...

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