Lamellar

APOCALYPSE · Post by **APOCALYPSE** » Wed May 24, 2000 6:18 pm

I have it,I have it!! Instead of each of the plates on top of each other. Try sticking one of the plates up under and between two of the top. A staggered effect. The bottom holes almost line up with the top of the plate. I took the pic and printed it and cut out the plates. Then I saw how the three sets of paired holes look similar to the bottom holes of the upper plates. Anyone have the slightest clue as to what the hell I'm talking about?

Hrothgar · Post by **Hrothgar** » Wed May 24, 2000 6:50 pm

My head hurts again!!!!! OUCH!!

Regards,

Hrothgar

APOCALYPSE · Post by **APOCALYPSE** » Wed May 24, 2000 6:54 pm

Do you see it though? Tell me you see what the hell my crazy arse is saying! I feel like I discovered the keel of the Arc.If you seperate the holes on the bottoms of the scales a bit more or either pulled the pairs of holes near the top of the scales a bit, they produce a staggered affect. Kind of like roofing shingles. [img]http://www.geocities.com/atomicius/Lace.jpg[/img]
Print this off and cut out the individual plates with the color on them. Match color to color.

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rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Wed May 24, 2000 10:47 pm

But is that how they did their armor?

I'd have to measure the distance between the holes in the middle of the plate, and make the holes on the bottom 1/2 that from the center and it should all line up.

I can do that. But, should that be how it's done?

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

APOCALYPSE · Post by **APOCALYPSE** » Wed May 24, 2000 11:13 pm

Doesn't anyone have armour made in this fashion? If there's no body that knows, then why the hell are we ordering them?

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Wed May 24, 2000 11:22 pm

Ask Templar Bob, a while back I asked a question about the flexability of this style(I wanted to bent at the wast even if I extended the lamallar over my hips) he said that his Lamallar used a burka style lacing (I think), and that he would show me if we were at the same event, but we were never able to hook up.

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Talon of Pentwyvern
Legio Darkyard

-Let's just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he'd be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing copper armour and shouting "ALL THE GODS ARE BASTARDS!"

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Norman · Post by **Norman** » Thu May 25, 2000 11:37 am

If you guys get sick of this and go to the Tibetan pattern (the bigger lame in the pic) (or related central Asian stuff) instead, I'll go in on it.
Something like the pic below (though I would add two horizontaly oriented holes to the bottom of the 7 hole pattern and substitute 2 holes for the 1 hole in the bottom of the 11 hole pattern - or at least add 1 hole to the seven hole pattern).
[img]http://www.enteract.com/~silkroad/lamlr711.gif[/img]

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Norman J. Finkelshteyn
Silk Road Designs Armoury
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rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Thu May 25, 2000 1:18 pm

Here's 4 different radii for the top of the plate.

[img]http://sca.sts.net/armor/1x4_rad640.jpg[/img]

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

Dmitriy · Post by **Dmitriy** » Thu May 25, 2000 2:52 pm

I like the third one from the left best.

All right, at least this one is done.. now about the lacing..

Joe Skeesick · Post by **Joe Skeesick** » Thu May 25, 2000 2:57 pm

Actually I disagree Dimitry..... the top is a complex curve, not a simple radii. See the one made by talon that I posted in the lacing thread.

Now, I say that, but how tough is it for you to do that?

Janos

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri May 26, 2000 10:48 am

If it's still possible, I'd like to get in on the order of plates. I'd like to get 800 if that can be added into the full order at this late time.

I'm going to try to scan in Templar Bob's lacing diagram...I live in the same town as he does and have discussed this with him. I'll try to get the diagram(s) up by early next week. I'll keep you all posted as to the progress.

Thanks.

Stephan Von Metten
(James Payne)
japayne@iupui.edu

APOCALYPSE · Post by **APOCALYPSE** » Fri May 26, 2000 11:05 am

Once we get the plate configuration down, I can get the estimates for the orders. I'll post another thread with "Orders" or soemthing on it so you can post the amount you want then.

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Fri May 26, 2000 11:11 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Janos:
Actually I disagree Dimitry..... the top is a complex curve, not a simple radii. See the one made by talon that I posted in the lacing thread.

Now, I say that, but how tough is it for you to do that?

Janos<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's not that difficult if I know where to put the radii.

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Sat May 27, 2000 1:01 am

I'm leaving for Middle Kingdom Crown Tournament. I'll be back Sunday night. I should be able to start back up on this Monday.

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

Templar Bob/De Tyre · Post by **Templar Bob/De Tyre** » Tue May 30, 2000 9:33 am

To all:

I gave the original version of "On the Construction and Use of Lamellar Armour in the Current Middle Ages" to Stephen von Metten yesterday afternoon (Memorial Day). He is going to attempt to scan it today, with an eye to getting it posted and perhaps added to the Pattern Archive. With any luck, that should be available sometime this week.

My lamellae utilize the 7-8 hole "Universal" pattern, the 9 hole "Etsin-Gol" East Turkestan pattern and the 12 hole "Tibetan-Willowleaf" pattern. I had to zen the lacing patterns, utilizing Bengt Thordeman's "Armour of the Battle of Wisby. I hope it helps.

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Robert Coleman, Jr.

Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who don't

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Thu Jun 01, 2000 2:27 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Templar Bob/De Tyre:
To all:

I gave the original version of "On the Construction and Use of Lamellar Armour in the Current Middle Ages" to Stephen von Metten yesterday afternoon (Memorial Day). He is going to attempt to scan it today, with an eye to getting it posted and perhaps added to the Pattern Archive. With any luck, that should be available sometime this week.

My lamellae utilize the 7-8 hole "Universal" pattern, the 9 hole "Etsin-Gol" East Turkestan pattern and the 12 hole "Tibetan-Willowleaf" pattern. I had to zen the lacing patterns, utilizing Bengt Thordeman's "Armour of the Battle of Wisby. I hope it helps.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Alrighty.

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

Joe Skeesick · Post by **Joe Skeesick** » Thu Jun 01, 2000 2:45 pm

Randall,

ahh... there you are. Thought we had lost you.

Janos

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Thu Jun 01, 2000 3:02 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Janos:
Randall,

ahh... there you are. Thought we had lost you.

Janos<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Just waiting for a breakthrough on this hole pattern...

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Thu Jun 08, 2000 4:29 pm

[img]http://sca.sts.net/armor/1x4-test_sm.jpg[/img]

rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Fri Jun 09, 2000 3:16 pm

Finalized Plate

[img]http://sca.sts.net/armor/1x4_125-F.jpg[/img]

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Mon Jun 12, 2000 4:26 pm

Like I said on the other thread --
the holes and spacing from sides look waaaaay too small,
please translate into fractions of an inch.

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Norman J. Finkelshteyn
Silk Road Designs Armoury
(718) 692-0935
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rmermuys · Post by **rmermuys** » Mon Jun 12, 2000 6:34 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Norman:
Like I said on the other thread --
the holes and spacing from sides look waaaaay too small,
please translate into fractions of an inch.

<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Someone responded to this on the Birka Lacing Thread.

The Lost Scott said:

3/4" = 0.75"
2/3" = 0.667"
1/2" = 0.5"
1/4" = 0.25"
3/16" = 0.1875"
1/8" = 0.125
1/16" = 0.0625"

Hope it helps

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-Randall of Turm An Dem See

Donald St. Colin · Post by **Donald St. Colin** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:43 am

Bumping the very last thread in this topic to the front. Just because.....

spearweasel · Post by **spearweasel** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:32 pm

Domnall wrote:Bumping the very last thread in this topic to the front. Just because.....

THREAD NECROMANCER! :roll: