ACK! Look at this helm!

Prince Of Darkmoor · Post by **Prince Of Darkmoor** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:55 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1000171277

Whoa. 29" circumference for a helmet.

REMEMBER, NO FLAMES!

Nicolai von Magdeburg · Thu Jan 11, 2001 11:57 am

its......interesting

Frederick The Heavy · Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:09 pm

Reminds me of that guy in The Holy Grail....

Ulf · Post by **Ulf** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:12 pm

yeah... Sir Bedevere Or something ... what if we build this gigant wooden badger!!

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Garridan · Post by **Garridan** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:30 pm

egads... and I thought spun tops were bad... looks like they spun the entire helm!!!

Le Brassey · Post by **Le Brassey** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:54 pm

Jeez..I must be losing it. I think it's kinda cool. It's big enough to be worn over an arming helm. Hard to tell whether the top is oval or not.

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Timothy D. Finkas
Long Beach, CA

Glen K · Post by **Glen K** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 12:58 pm

I wonder if that's an authentic #2 pencil propping up the authentic visor...

Aidan Cambel · Post by **Aidan Cambel** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 1:19 pm

I think it is made from a big a$$ dutch oven.....

Mad Matt · Post by **Mad Matt** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 1:21 pm

Shiny freon?

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Morlahn Hobbs · Post by **Morlahn Hobbs** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 2:06 pm

I don't have the faintest idea, since I'm not an armourer myself. But, the top edges are so round, it gives the helm a "pot to boil pasta in" look. It appears to have served another life as cookware, that's all.

Hobbs

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Le Brassey · Post by **Le Brassey** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 3:08 pm

The design is fairly accurate to an extant Crusader-era helm. I was just looking at it in a book this morning.

Are you folks questioning the shape? The interpretation? Detail? Size? Y'all are being catty, but not specific.

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Timothy D. Finkas
Long Beach, CA

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Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 3:39 pm

I don't know whether it is an authentic design or not, but it looks better than a lot of the stuff I've seen on the field.

Le Brassey · Post by **Le Brassey** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 3:48 pm

Here's a visual comparison with the extant piece:

<image src=http://finkas.home.netcom.com/ArmourArchive/BarrelHelmMulti.jpg>

I contacted the seller and he notes that the helmet is indeed an oval cylinder, not a round cylinder. I imagine that precludes it being "spun", as some have theorized here.

It's only 20ga, so not usable as a combat helm for SCA purposes.

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Timothy D. Finkas
Long Beach, CA

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Prince Of Darkmoor · Post by **Prince Of Darkmoor** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 4:56 pm

In a past thread, it was determined that this helmet was a reproduction based on something made in the 19th century, I think.

This particular example might not be period, but according to said thread, there were examples.

I think the thread is about 10-14 pages back...here it is.

It appears that the jury's out on this one.

NOTE: I KNOW that I've seen that helm in a book I have, but the book said it wasn't period and it was a reproduction of some sort but I don't want to committ to anything before I see my book. Sasha has the same book (Eyewitness "Arms and Armour") and he scanned a photo from it a while ago...

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Payn · Post by **Payn** » Thu Jan 11, 2001 6:01 pm

No Flame... but this amuses me!

Weld the faceplate down.
Cover the eyeslots with some steel and weld them in.
Boil pasta
and use the perforation for a strainer!

hehehehehehehehe

Fritz the peasant

Dwarlock · Post by **Dwarlock** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:08 am

I own one, it's made of 18 gauge stainless, and is indeed also ugly in person. I paid slightly less than $50 for it new.

Lynxicanus · Post by **Lynxicanus** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 1:34 am

If i was severely hit on the head and allowed sufficient time for swelling... that may fit me... over my arming cap and coif and maybe another helm.

Le Brassey · Post by **Le Brassey** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 11:00 am

So you guys think I have nothing better to do than go through my library and scan pictures?

Okay, I'll go look for the examples of barrel helms with visors. I too know that I have run across a few. I'll post 'em when I find 'em.

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Long Beach, CA

wlfric · Post by **wlfric** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:01 pm

Wellllll HOT DOG.
I ran out of metal a week back and haven't had the chance to go to the city and get more....
I can use all those stainless steel pots my wife and I got for wedding gifts that my wife DOES NOT cook in for something useful after all!

It does look rather period in a way, however. And making the helm into a pot would be period as well...
<img src=http://www.ifreepage.com/konigsfeuer/Pictures/helmet-cauldron.jpg>

as taken from "The Arms and Armor of the Medieval Knight" from page 134. A kettle hat that has had a chain attached so it can be used as a cauldron.

Gives a whole new meaning to the term "Pot Head"

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Garridan · Post by **Garridan** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:04 pm

that'd be some good eating... after you've been sweating day after day into your helm, it'd be permanently stained with the smell... which would never come out of your soup...

wlfric · Post by **wlfric** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:14 pm

I DON'T think the owner fought in it and then ate out of it. I think, rather, that some peasant out there snuck onto the battle field when no one was looking and grabbed himself a prize. Metal was scarce for the poor, so what an opportunity to get some nice cookware! And you could use the right size besagew(sp?) to fry eggs in. A breastplate would be a perfect serving dish for that haunch of venison that you poached off the king's land yesterday. And what better use for a greave than as a gravy boat?

Melchior · Post by **Melchior** » Fri Jan 12, 2001 3:31 pm

LB I'm with you I like it. It was to be worn over another helm. Could this possibly be for jousting. I have seen this style some where in my library as well.

Melchior

Uilleam MhikDhomnhull · Fri Jan 12, 2001 8:26 pm

Looks like one of my Dear old Mothers cooking pots.

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