The Armour Archive

Anybody got any? About to maybe get one and would like to know where I should go with my kit.

There are 4 pics at the bottom of this page:

http://www.mallet-argent.com/authentic.html

I once had a #18 cuirass. When i'm back home I'll post some photos, unless Boskaljon beats me to it. He's the owner now. Fits him much better than me.

William of Stonebridge wrote:There are 4 pics at the bottom of this page:

http://www.mallet-argent.com/authentic.html

Yep..those would be the only ones I have found so far in my own searches...mainly what I'm wondering is, what kind of Helms would work with the 18?

I've got a book "Mediaeval Arms and armour" That has a different pic of that harness, showing it with spalders and a single besagew. The caption says its a composite suit made up from parts dating to 1390- 1415. I think a basinet would go well with it. Maybe even a great basinet.

S18 Cuirass goes with the S18 Armet If you want to recreate the suit as displayed that is.

Bascinet (with or without bevor) or Great Bascinet are very good alternatives

I have a bunch that Carlo Paggiarino gave me from the setup for the Churburg Armoury book - but they are too big to post here. PM me. They may also be up at the Arms and Armour forum : http://www.armsandarmourforum.com/forum/

Here's one of the breastplate from an earlier book (don't have the citation though).

As for the helmet, a pig-face bascinet would be right at home on it as would an early great bascinet, but of course, the S-18 armet would be as well. If I recall correctly, the harness isn't too bad of a composite (certainly much of it is believable as a working-life composite, though the gauntlets and armet are fairly unique)

if you want to see what a possible early 15th C italian kit could look like, here's a pic of mine (going for circa 1410), that I am still working on:

Here are some that I've collected...

Odeane...

And Here...

And One More...

Last One...

ok...what about say...a regular Armet. a bellows face sallet or a klappvisor bascinet?

Gaston Le Chauve wrote:ok...what about say...a regular Armet. a bellows face sallet or a klappvisor bascinet?

its about 10-20 years too early for most armet styles.

Bellows faced sallet is mostly associated with a different aesthetic and time (also about 20 years later and german style), and depending on the visor style, a klappvisor bascinet could work (klappvisor really just refers to the center pivot, but it is also usually associated with the shovel-faced style and german harnesses that tend to have different lines)

was looking at this style here

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d-farrell2 wrote:

Gaston Le Chauve wrote:ok...what about say...a regular Armet. a bellows face sallet or a klappvisor bascinet?

its about 10-20 years too early for most armet styles.

Bellows faced sallet is mostly associated with a different aesthetic and time (also about 20 years later and german style), and depending on the visor style, a klappvisor bascinet could work (klappvisor really just refers to the center pivot, but it is also usually associated with the shovel-faced style and german harnesses that tend to have different lines)

I disagree. There are several from the 1410 - 1425 that would be quite at home on that suit.

Gaston: That bascinet is very German. The harness you want to use is very Italian. Whilst not outside the realms of possibility I wouldnt personally pair those together.

These armets are about right. Or a nice late hounskull.

es02 wrote:I disagree. There are several from the 1410 - 1425 that would be quite at home on that suit.

I'll still hold to my point, the early armet is somewhat of an oddity in both artwork and extant pieces (though it certainly existed... I rather like them personally, I own a repro of the S-18 ). Certainly in the time pre-1420. I am aware of maybe a dozen that can reasonably be dated pre-1430, and like 2-4 that can be dated reasonably to pre-1420. The more common armet style (and the one most people picture - note he asked about a 'regular' armet), however, is a style that is more mid/late 15th century.

for those interested, there is a wonderful thread on the early armet here: http://www.armsandarmourforum.com/forum ... Armet&st=0

thanks everyone. Since I don't have the budget for a custom early armet, looks like I'll be going hounskull.