Turkish Maille

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Gregory
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Turkish Maille

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A friend of mine gave me some coiled wire a while back, and my life has calmed down enough that I can play with maille again. So I decided to make a hauberk. Not being content with the insanity of that task, I decided to do a horribly inaccurate reproduction of the Turkish hauberk I saw a few pictures of on this site a while back. It's maille sandwiched between a layer of padding and a layer of silk (I think--the article said that this type of armor also could be done with linen or other fabric). I really liked this hauberk because it fits my persona fairly well, and it's armor with a built-in gambison. Put a kidney belt on, put this on, and you're ready to dent helms.

It's going to be inaccurate because the wire is larger than they'd use in period, and I don't have the equipment to do rivits. Sadly, such is life--there's nagging little things like rent and food that keep eating up all my income. :) Not to say that this is a bad shirt, or that I'm going to do this half-assed; just outlining the parameters of my request here, and letting you know that I'm okay with "It'll work, but it's not 100% Period". Once I get the equipment for rivited maille I'll probably make a new shirt that IS Period, using what I've learned. I like making hauberks. :D

The links were cut with bolt cutters, so they have a pinch-cut. Fortunately, the pinch-cut is at a low angle and the ends like up remarkably well; any sewing I do will come out of a few of them, but not all of them by a long shot. And if I use a thick enough thread I doubt any will come out.

That gets to my question. I understand how to make a hauberk. I understand how to make a gambeson, and a tunic. What I don't understand is how to put these three components together in a way that 1) is at least somewhat Period, 2) holds up to use (not necessarily fighting, though I will of course try it on a list field to see how it works; this is mostly just me challenging myself because I have the opportunity), and 3) looks good. Right now my idea is to sew the gambeson and tunic a bit big, put the hauberk between them, and stitch the two cloth bits together around the edges (it'll probably be more, stitching around the edges to a certain point, putting the hauberk in, and turning the whole thing inside out, but you get the idea). Once the edges are sewn in, I can go back and stitch every other link on every other row so it attaches to the padding and the tunic. I can probably think of some decrative and suitably Period way to hide the stitches--some button or something. Alternatively, I can simply whip-stitch every row or every other row onto the padding and tunic (again, with a suitable way to hide it--probably some sort of brokade or ribbon). Or I can let the hauberk float (though this runs the risk of the hauberk floating in bad directions at inopportune times, which knights have a remarkable ability to see and take advantage of).

Has anyone here made one of these? Got any advice for how to do it? I understand it's going to be a lot of work. And I'm okay with that--anything worth doing is worth taking the time to do well.
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Post by Benedek »

Never made one but I've always thought it would be interesting to have one. I love this style.


I imagine creating the maille hauberk first and then tailoring the the gambeson/outer shell after the maille is together.


I'm really interested in seeing how this turns out.


Good luck.
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Post by AwP »

I'm not too familiar with these, but something too keep in mind... The inner gambeson is gonna get sweaty and nasty, how will you wash it? You might want to fake the attachment and maybe use buttons or points or something.
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Post by Gregory »

I had considered using ties--something that'd slip through the maille and tie onto the outer tunic, preferably with some suitable disguise (metal buttons that look like fancy rivets, or some some cloth thing that looked like what they'd use). If I wear this, that'd be a really good idea. Otherwise, I doubt my wife would let me bring the armor into the house. :lol:
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Post by Norman »

My impression from what I have read (ie: the diary of usama ibnMunkid ...I think that was the spelling of the last name) is that this was precisely as you first describe --
separate coats sewn together at the edges. ...I think he had two hauberks inside
it certainly could not hurt to add stiching inbetween.
But I don't believe there is much concern about them moving in different directions -- after all, if you just wear the equivalent - an arming coat, a hauberk, and an outer coat, they go just fine.

As for the sweat/cleaning concern -- wear the coat over a shirt. wash the shirt.
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