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Peascod Question. Rough from the hammer.

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 12:28 pm
by Roland Brokentooth
Hey Guys,

What would I need to take this:
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and make it look like this:
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Keep in mind I'm a pretty novice armorer. I've got the basic tools. Any advice will be awesome!

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:13 pm
by InsaneIrish
If you can't weld, you can't do that breastplate.

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 1:49 pm
by Marco-borromei
1. welding capability, or access to someone who can do it for you - need to close the seam under the navel point
2. more steel probably 16ga mild and some way to cut it [shear or saw]
3. paterning skill or someone to help - you need to layout/cut out the bottom edge and all those loose bits
4. files or belt sander - you need to remove all teh sharp edged on what you just cut
5. basic sheet metal forming tools [low end looks like a stump, hammer, blunt chisel] - you need to do some shaping on those loose bits
6. ability to make holes [drill or punch] - you need to put lots of rivet holes in the right places
7. leather and buckles for strapping - you need to connect all those loose bits together

How many of these things do you already have?

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:32 pm
by Roland Brokentooth
I have all of those things mentioned.

I guess I just need to add patience.

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 6:37 pm
by Keegan Ingrassia
Also add a stake for the medial ridge.

And another chisel stake for rolling the edge at the neck.

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 7:42 pm
by Sean Powell
Dave will weld and grind it for you too for a reasonable price. (The grinding is necessary to check the weld quality) After that you WILL need heat to flare the lower edge because of the sharp transition or you will want to weld the flange on and do some very careful grinding before going on to the tassets.

Sean

Posted: Thu Nov 04, 2010 10:32 pm
by Marco-borromei
Raulin Arbor wrote:I have all of those things mentioned.

I guess I just need to add patience.


Good... now that was a minimum's list. Having just that stuff means you'll work hard at this. Upgrading to a few better tools means less work and a better result.

You can use almost any blunt chisel to do the ridge line and roll the edge, but you'll be regrinding the tip of the chisel to a different shape for each job. Having the correct stake tools or at least several specialized chisels makes life easier.

A 2x72 belt grinder makes almost ALL the filing and weld clean-up a breeze. You can do most of it with an angle grinder and flap disc, but its much harder. Hand filing is the most labor intensive way. A lower speed right angle buffer/sander makes finishing the smooth surfaces easier than hand sanding.

A throatless bench shear makes cutting the steel sheet easy. A jig saw is more work and mess, but still better than a hand saw or sharp chisel.

A Roper-Whitney bench punch [#10 or #7] makes punching rivet holes as easy as punching holes in paper. A RW#5 hand punch is still good. The Harbor Freight knockoff might punch 20 holes before dying. A hammer and punch over a block of wood is more work. A drill is aggravation and may eventually work.



If you don't have the best available tools, consider asking around to borrow them or barter for the work. The alternative is time and patience.

Once you decide if you have or can borrow the tools, the next step is to study the finished piece and make sure you understand what you're going to be building.

You're buying one piece. By my count, there's 10 or 11 separate pieces you have to make for yourself in the finished picture you posted.
-First, there's 2 armpit plates which slide to give you a bit of movement with coverage. Imagine crossing your arms to grab opposite shoulders... those plates cover the compressed part of your pectorals/armpit.
-Then there's the bottom lip of the breastplate. That may or may not be somethign you can just flare out from the existing piece, depending on how much material is there and where you need your waistline. Depending on your skill/comfort level, it may be easier to cut out a piece and weld it in place.
-There appears to be at least one straight band across both sides below that lip.
-There appear to be 3 plates on each site the buckle onto the band listed above.
-Finally, that picture shows a blackplate, which I find more difficult than the entire front of the peascod with all its moving pieces. Seeing as I cannot SEE my own back, getting the shape even vaguely correct / comfortable requires either lots of trial and error OR casting a mold of my back [add 4-8 cans of spray foam, trash bags, cardboard boxes, and acetone to your list].

If I either [a] lose a lot of weight or [b] find a volunteer for the photos and financing of the project, I will make a tutorial on foam casting your own torso for self armouring.

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:08 am
by Konstantin the Red
I suspect the arm gussets mentioned above may also call for cutting the arm cutouts deeper. I don't quite trust where they are now. I suspect they will bind your arms. Cloth will fold out of the way with your arm motion; metal won't. If it's a rigid piece there it will bite you instead. The gussets swivel on an articulating rivet in the area below your armpits, and a slider at the ends near the shoulder straps. The shoulder straps usually fasten to this gusset, so that gravity pulls the gusset back where you want it.