scale vest

Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:23 pm

should a scale vest fasten on the side or slip over the head like a mail coate?

Prince Of Darkmoor · Post by **Prince Of Darkmoor** » Tue Jan 30, 2001 6:39 pm

I've always thought it to be quite stylin' if you could make it work like a CoP...check out the pattern archive if you want a picture of the layout

Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Tue Jan 30, 2001 10:45 pm

I just finished mine. It buckles down the front just a little on my left side.

Owen · Post by **Owen** » Wed Jan 31, 2001 11:06 am

Some of the Roman examples I've seen are built like a mail shirt, with a neck slit to let your head through. They then have a clasp setup to close the opening up.

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Mad Matt · Post by **Mad Matt** » Wed Jan 31, 2001 12:04 pm

I personally like and am in the process of making one (slowly) with a diagonal front opening. See Norman's site for an excellent drawing and lots more information on scale armour.

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Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Wed Jan 31, 2001 9:14 pm

how 'bout late period (16th 17th cent)russian and turkish?

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Thu Feb 01, 2001 4:51 pm

Most likely do something like a breast and back but fastened under only the one arm -- with the other side underarm in one piece.

Think archers - like the Japanese harness -
unless I'm getting confused again, the opening would go under the right arm (the one most often away from the enemy when shooting).

But I'm not sure that 16th - 17th cent Russian and Turk would do Scale.
More like 15th
16th - 17th is more like Poles -- and I'm not at all up on what they were doing.

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Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Thu Feb 01, 2001 11:13 pm

I was under the impression they got the scale idea from the turks and tartars.... I'll try under the right arm

Norman · Post by **Norman** » Fri Feb 02, 2001 11:53 am

Yes and No --

As I understand, the late Polish armour was their idea of harkening back to the glories of ancient Rome.
-- but they do look more Chinese than Roman.

In late period I believe the Turks, Russians, et-al went all out Maile-n-Plates.

If you're going for late Turk -- your clearest and most accurate representation would be to go with the simpler looking Turk style Zertsalo (see my article on Disk armour).

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Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Fri Feb 02, 2001 9:58 pm

I'm building 2 sets of late period polish hussar armour,
how should the leathe backing be cut into what type of pattern?

Alexi · Post by **Alexi** » Tue Feb 06, 2001 5:18 pm

well yesterday I finaly found a copy of a pick of karacena without the gorget, it seams that it fastens ove the shoulder. Now does any body have a pattern for a realy large tank top? How should I pattern the side of the armour? I will need to curve the scales right?