Four Panel Rus Style Helm - Aaannnd were done!

This forum is designed to help us spread the knowledge of armouring.
User avatar
Halberds
Archive Member
Posts: 20444
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Weld! Progress Pix!

Post by Halberds »

Thanks for the progress pics.
I think it came out great.

Hal
Happy Metal Pounding
User avatar
Heath B fraychef
Archive Member
Posts: 2253
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Southern california / Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Weld! Progress Pix!

Post by Heath B fraychef »

what kind of rivets are you planning on using?
and are you planning any other type od decoration?
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Weld! Progress Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Swamp Stick wrote:
CiaranBlackrune wrote:The bolts (which will be rivets) on the top are just there to look nice. I am undecided about putting a top cap on the helm since it will be used for practice only. There will be another fancier, schmancier one for tournies that will have a top cap and other decorations.

Because you can tweak the pattern and you will make most of your mistakes on this one instead of the pretty one?

Bjorn


Exactly.

I ran into some trouble setting the topmost rivets. They are in there pretty deep and I had trouble hitting them and ended up hitting the panel and had dimples on the outside. D'oh! But as I got further out they got easier to set as I had more room to swing the hammer.

Polishing takes a long time. But the results are worth it, IMO. I didn't even get down and go all mirror.

Image

Image

Howdy from sunny Caid!

Image

Image

Next up is drilling the bottom holes in the brow band, then sanding and polishing the cheek plates and back slats.

It's coming together pretty good so far, and I am learning a ton, and having fun. :D
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
User avatar
Varukh
Archive Member
Posts: 1328
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:24 pm
Location: Bald Knob, Arkansas

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Varukh »

Beautiful helmet so far man. WOW!
Squire to Duke Jon the Tall
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do."-Voltaire
"Victory is always possible for the person who refuses to stop fighting."-Napoleon Hill
User avatar
Sir Wilhelm
Archive Member
Posts: 373
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:57 pm
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Sir Wilhelm »

It's gorgeous Ciaran.
User avatar
Count Johnathan
Archive Member
Posts: 4700
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:44 pm
Location: Kingdom of Atenveldt
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Count Johnathan »

That's coming along very well. Looks great! Can't wait to see it finished.
Hit hard, take light and improve your game.
Ideval
Archive Member
Posts: 10092
Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2000 1:01 am
Location: Northern California
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Ideval »

Excellent progress!
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Now that I am done working for the week and have some free time I have finalized the cheekpieces and the back slats. Well, the back slats can use a touch of tweaking but they are pretty much done.

Image

Image

Image

Back to the buffing wheel...
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
Benedek
Archive Member
Posts: 6453
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:37 pm
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Benedek »

So hawt.......lovely helmet.
Revenge is a matter of style.
User avatar
barcuk
New Member
Posts: 49
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:52 pm
Location: So Cal
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by barcuk »

Its looking great Ciaran. Good work.
If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. -Roger Alan Wade

Sasha Dmitrievich
Caid
User avatar
Varukh
Archive Member
Posts: 1328
Joined: Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:24 pm
Location: Bald Knob, Arkansas

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Varukh »

God that is a beautiful helm!
Squire to Duke Jon the Tall
"Every man is guilty of all the good he did not do."-Voltaire
"Victory is always possible for the person who refuses to stop fighting."-Napoleon Hill
User avatar
Effingham
Archive Member
Posts: 15102
Joined: Sat Aug 19, 2000 1:01 am
Location: Franklin, IN USA
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Effingham »

Very prettay! VERY prettay!
Webpage: http://www.sengokudaimyo.com
Custom avatars: http://sengokudaimyo.com/avatarbiz.html
SENGOKU DAIMYO ONLINE SHOP: http://www.cafepress.com/sengokudaimyo
Grand Cross of the Order of the Laurel: http://www.cafepress.com/laurelorder
User avatar
Halberds
Archive Member
Posts: 20444
Joined: Sat Oct 13, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Republic of Texas

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Halberds »

Thanks for the pics, great work.

Personally... I diden't think it needed welding.
Sure makes for more work. :|

Hal
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Halberds wrote:Thanks for the pics, great work.

Personally... I diden't think it needed welding.
Sure makes for more work. :|

Hal


I welded it as a solution to mis-informed or nervous marshals. The helm is solid with just the rivets.
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
User avatar
Donngal
Archive Member
Posts: 701
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:01 am
Location: Mesa Arizona

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Donngal »

looking good.

Donngal
http://Www.aesirmetalwyrks.com
http://www.facebook.com/AesirMetalwyrks.
email aesirarmoury@gmail.com

not only do you have to have creative metal working skills but you have to be able to manage the business office side
otherwise you will not make it.
Malcolm ap Gwilim
Archive Member
Posts: 202
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 4:32 pm
Location: Dreiburgen, Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Malcolm ap Gwilim »

Looking great Ciaran! Can't wait to see it at next practice.
No matter where you go, there you are. B. Banzai
User avatar
Donngal
Archive Member
Posts: 701
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:01 am
Location: Mesa Arizona

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by Donngal »

Usually when I have to do the rivets way up top I turn the rivet around and peen it on the outside of the helm, that way I know for sure I dont mess up the piece and that its totally secure.

D
http://Www.aesirmetalwyrks.com
http://www.facebook.com/AesirMetalwyrks.
email aesirarmoury@gmail.com

not only do you have to have creative metal working skills but you have to be able to manage the business office side
otherwise you will not make it.
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Buff N Buff N Buff some more! Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Major construction is now complete. Woot!

Next up is to clean up the welds on the grill, then paint the grill black. Left to do: More buffing. Make and attach the brass nasal/eyebrows. Pad and chinstrap.

I suck at grillwork so I am really pleased with how this one came out. Some of the welds are a bit ugly as my welder decided to be finicky on day 1 of grill week. I realized that I made a stupid noob mistake and plugged the 110 welder that barely has enough power into a 50 ft long extension cord. D'oh! Removing the extension cord fixed it and the welds came out better on day 2. Unfortunately this means I have some clean up work to do with the Dremel.

Image

Image

Here she is with the paper pattern for the nasal/eyebrows. It will be etched with fancy schmancy designs. :D
Image

Image
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
User avatar
barcuk
New Member
Posts: 49
Joined: Sun Jul 10, 2011 11:52 pm
Location: So Cal
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by barcuk »

Looks great Ciaran!
If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tough. -Roger Alan Wade

Sasha Dmitrievich
Caid
User avatar
Heath B fraychef
Archive Member
Posts: 2253
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Southern california / Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Heath B fraychef »

what material will the nasal be?
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Heath B fraychef wrote:what material will the nasal be?

Nasal will be brass with designs etched into it.
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
User avatar
Heath B fraychef
Archive Member
Posts: 2253
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Southern california / Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Heath B fraychef »

awesome. looks great.
User avatar
Count Johnathan
Archive Member
Posts: 4700
Joined: Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:44 pm
Location: Kingdom of Atenveldt
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Count Johnathan »

Fantastic man. Great work and nice lines on the grill. The dremel is cool but hand files are really the way to go once you remove the bulk of the excess weld material. It really doesn't take much longer to use the hand files and you will be happier with the final product.

Looking good man really top notch!
Hit hard, take light and improve your game.
User avatar
Sir Wilhelm
Archive Member
Posts: 373
Joined: Mon Jul 11, 2011 3:57 pm
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Sir Wilhelm »

I am fairly certain he is making that for a surprise birthday present for me.
User avatar
Blaine de Navarre
Archive Member
Posts: 7329
Joined: Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:24 am
Location: Caid
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Blaine de Navarre »

CiaranBlackrune wrote:
Heath B fraychef wrote:what material will the nasal be?

Nasal will be brass with designs etched into it.


You got someone doing it for you, or are you gonna do it yerself? I got some jewelry techniques I could come up 'n' larn ya.
Blaine de Navarre
in temperantiam temeritas
in vapulationem veritas
User avatar
Donngal
Archive Member
Posts: 701
Joined: Mon Feb 10, 2003 2:01 am
Location: Mesa Arizona

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Donngal »

looks great.

Ill be at GWW in Aten Royal. Look me up.


Donngal
http://Www.aesirmetalwyrks.com
http://www.facebook.com/AesirMetalwyrks.
email aesirarmoury@gmail.com

not only do you have to have creative metal working skills but you have to be able to manage the business office side
otherwise you will not make it.
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Blaine de Navarre wrote:
CiaranBlackrune wrote:
Heath B fraychef wrote:what material will the nasal be?

Nasal will be brass with designs etched into it.


You got someone doing it for you, or are you gonna do it yerself? I got some jewelry techniques I could come up 'n' larn ya.

I needs ya ta larn me some of them thar tek-neeks for ma next project. I need to be able to set cabochon gemstones in some brass.

Ahhh... today is my first day off of four in a row. Hopefully I will have the helm done in time for practice on Saturday. (Fingers crossed!)
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
CiaranBlackrune
Archive Member
Posts: 1147
Joined: Tue Sep 05, 2006 2:23 am
Location: Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by CiaranBlackrune »

Brass.... I found out that etching brass with a sharpie marker resist and Radio Shack PCB etchant is easy peasy lemon squeezy! However, drawing the designs on the brass still requires artistic abilities. So I made some templates, traced them and then filled them in as best I could. I left the piece in the etchant for about 3 hours, agitating it every so often. I should have taken it out after an hour. While I did get a deep etch, it also ate through the resist in places and pitted the brass.


After coming out of the etchant, after being rinsed off.
Image

Cleaned with alcohol...
Image

Buffed...
Image

I also found out that making nice clean lines, especially curved lines, is not easy. Punching little dots was easy if a little tedious.
Close up...
Image

Another close up. You can see how rough my lines are. I used a small chisel I made out of a graver I had.
Image

Done and ready to be mounted...
Image
Last edited by CiaranBlackrune on Tue Sep 20, 2011 3:35 pm, edited 2 times in total.
What the SCA needs is less Armour Archive, and more Monty Python.
Benedek
Archive Member
Posts: 6453
Joined: Thu Mar 23, 2006 8:37 pm
Location: Wichita, Kansas
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Rama Lama Bling Bling!

Post by Benedek »

Now that's just sexy.
Revenge is a matter of style.
User avatar
Kenwrec Wulfe
Archive Member
Posts: 4260
Joined: Thu May 22, 2003 1:01 am
Location: Orlando, FL
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Rama Lama Bling Bling!

Post by Kenwrec Wulfe »

I dunno man... I think its too shiney. You should send it to me so I can work off some of that shine.... :twisted:
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. -Aristotle
User avatar
aidanhroarsson
Archive Member
Posts: 944
Joined: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:13 pm
Location: Orlando, Fl Trimaris

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by aidanhroarsson »

CiaranBlackrune wrote:I also found out that making nice clean lines, especially curved lines, is not easy. Punching little dots was easy if a little tedious.
Close up...
Image

Another close up. You can see how rough my lines are. I used a small chisel I made out of a graver I had.
Image

Done and ready to be mounted...
Image


how did you get the "pitted" effect after your etching...?
HL Auðun Hroarsson
At Wulfe Armory

The Truth shall set you free, but first it will piss you off!
User avatar
Kenwrec Wulfe
Archive Member
Posts: 4260
Joined: Thu May 22, 2003 1:01 am
Location: Orlando, FL
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Helm - Almost done! Updated Pix!

Post by Kenwrec Wulfe »

aidanhroarsson wrote:
CiaranBlackrune wrote:I also found out that making nice clean lines, especially curved lines, is not easy. Punching little dots was easy if a little tedious.
Close up...
Image

Another close up. You can see how rough my lines are. I used a small chisel I made out of a graver I had.
Image

Done and ready to be mounted...
Image


how did you get the "pitted" effect after your etching...?


My guess is with a centerpunch....
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but we rather have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit. -Aristotle
User avatar
Heath B fraychef
Archive Member
Posts: 2253
Joined: Sat Apr 21, 2001 1:01 am
Location: Southern california / Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Style Helm - Rama Lama Bling Bling!

Post by Heath B fraychef »

i know you said done and ready to mount but this little tiny knob would drive me insane.
right there under the tip of the unicorns horn that tiny little point sticking up.
yeah thats it. that little bugger would make me crazy every time i put the helmet on. or looked at it.
or thought about it.
other than that its pretty freaking awesome.
excellent job. and ive loved the progress pics.
Attachments
nasal07.jpg
nasal07.jpg (62.19 KiB) Viewed 114 times
User avatar
PatternWeld
Archive Member
Posts: 2230
Joined: Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:31 pm
Location: Al-Sahid, Caid

Re: Four Panel Rus Style Helm - Rama Lama Bling Bling!

Post by PatternWeld »

That helmet is begging for a top cap and a ring to mount the horsetail!

On the advice side.... when you have to redrill a hole that close, fill the old hole and grind over. Many will just throw a washer on before peening the rivet.

If you want to "Antique" the helm....

Get a clearish/opauque plastic box with a reasonably tight lid.
Degrease/clean the unassembled pieces with acetone and shoot a few layers of clearcoat on the inside.
Get a window sprayer and fill it with heavy mixed bleach water and add 3 tbsp regular salt. Swish it up to dissolve the salt.
Lay the pieces out on the bottom of the plastic box and sit it out in the sun... let the pieces get warm.
Spray the bleach mixture in a mist over the warm pieces, get em just wet enough to barely bead.
Roll up a rag and soak it in the mixture, lay it in the box, not touching the pieces.
Seal down the lid, leave it in the sun and let it sweat. Every so often re-mist.

This will cause aggressive, pitted and uneven rusting. Let it bloom but not so much that it signifigantly weakens the metal.

When it "patinas" enough take it out and wire brush all the rust off.
Strip it with acetone again and either Salt blue or heat the pieces in an oven to 400 degrees and use the cold blueing solution.
You can use the browning if you prefer as well.
Rinse the pieces and oil them FAST.
Rub with oil and steel wool.

Assemble with care and admire the piece that looks like it stepped out of history.
Jonathan Baird wrote: If the way were meant to be easy it would teach you no lesson.
Rhyance wrote:Seek excellence the way a man with his hair on fire seeks a pond. Rinse and repeat. Every day.
MuchPainNeeded2
Archive Member
Posts: 54
Joined: Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:30 am
Location: Eugene, Oregon USA
Contact:

Re: Four Panel Rus Style Helm - Rama Lama Bling Bling!

Post by MuchPainNeeded2 »

PatternWeld wrote:That helmet is begging for a top cap and a ring to mount the horsetail!

On the advice side.... when you have to redrill a hole that close, fill the old hole and grind over. Many will just throw a washer on before peening the rivet.

If you want to "Antique" the helm....

Get a clearish/opauque plastic box with a reasonably tight lid.
Degrease/clean the unassembled pieces with acetone and shoot a few layers of clearcoat on the inside.
Get a window sprayer and fill it with heavy mixed bleach water and add 3 tbsp regular salt. Swish it up to dissolve the salt.
Lay the pieces out on the bottom of the plastic box and sit it out in the sun... let the pieces get warm.
Spray the bleach mixture in a mist over the warm pieces, get em just wet enough to barely bead.
Roll up a rag and soak it in the mixture, lay it in the box, not touching the pieces.
Seal down the lid, leave it in the sun and let it sweat. Every so often re-mist.

This will cause aggressive, pitted and uneven rusting. Let it bloom but not so much that it signifigantly weakens the metal.

When it "patinas" enough take it out and wire brush all the rust off.
Strip it with acetone again and either Salt blue or heat the pieces in an oven to 400 degrees and use the cold blueing solution.
You can use the browning if you prefer as well.
Rinse the pieces and oil them FAST.
Rub with oil and steel wool.

Assemble with care and admire the piece that looks like it stepped out of history.


Hey PatternWeld, I would LOVE to see a couple good pictures of helms that you've done this too. I'd like to see just what sort of effect you get and such. Please ;)
Darrian Gunn
Dustin Smith
Eugene Oregon USA
If at first you don't succeed try try again.. then get a bigger hammer.
Post Reply