New Sallet Pics

mshedden · Post by **mshedden** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 7:47 pm

Here's some pics of an Italian sallet I just built. I was just trying it out so it's only 16g. I also didn't bother rolling the edges.

<img src=http://www3.sympatico.ca/alyns/Italiansallet1.jpg>

<img src=http://www3.sympatico.ca/alyns/Italiansallet3.jpg>

<img src=http://www3.sympatico.ca/alyns/Italiansallet5.jpg>

Michael

Gaston · Post by **Gaston** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 8:01 pm

Nice hat!

Excellent lines, great proportions. Very well done.

Jonathon More · Post by **Jonathon More** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 8:28 pm

Dude! how much do you want for it??

Sasha · Post by **Sasha** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 9:03 pm

Nice work.
I particularly like the detailed touches you took. Like the edge of the eyeslot.

Now go make one like you mean it!

Sasha

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 10:31 pm

Damn(ed) nice work!!!

[This message has been edited by The Damn(ed) Dane (edited 02-17-2001).]

chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sat Feb 17, 2001 11:16 pm

Michael,

If I might make some constructive commentary...

This is very nice work, especially for a first go at an Italian export sallet. Some key areas you want to consider -

1. The visor above the occularum. If you can, get it to fit closer - the visors on extant pieces fit comparitively snug there.The occularum itself looks good.

2. The back of the bowl itself - the bowl should have a slight swell conforming to the shape of the back of your skull, with the tail sweeping back out. You nailed the compactness of the piece and the tail shouldn't extend farther than it does here (IMO).

Can you show us a picture dead on from the front, both visor raised and lowered?

Very promising work.

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mshedden · Post by **mshedden** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 2:43 pm

Thanks for the kind words everyone. I should specify that I can't take credit for the patterns I used. They're not my own.

Bob, the reason I didn't do a lot of finishing work on this helm such as rolled edges, perfect planishing etc., is because there are a number of things I'm not pleased about with the helm.

You nailed two of them exactly. I didn't manage to make the visor fit as closely as I would have liked. Also, I wasn't pleased that I didn't manage to get the proper swell in the back of the bowl.

I took the pics you requested. And might I add, damn you ;-)

I purposely didn't take any pictures from the front because the front profile is the major thing I was disappointed with. I made the helm too narrow/tall to look right as an Italian sallet. The profile does look somewhat similar to a French sallet I've seen pics of.

The next one will be much better. BTW I do appreciate the criticism.

Michael

<img src=http://www3.sympatico.ca/alyns/Italiansallet6.jpg>

<img src=http://www3.sympatico.ca/alyns/Italiansallet11.jpg>

Dave · Post by **Dave** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 3:43 pm

Nice work. Just thought I would throw another one in. Looks good.

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chef de chambre · Post by **chef de chambre** » Sun Feb 18, 2001 6:30 pm

Hi Michael,

I see what you mean about the hight. More importantly though, you have started to get the swell of the bowl at the front on either side. Nice low keel.

I'm glad you didn't take my commentary as critisisim, because it was not meant to be. I made the commentary because I think the next one you make has the potential to look more like the real thing, and if you keep working on sallets you could well nail the shape down and master it. I take it you have looked at the real thing from different angles?

Not all sallets had rolled edges, plenty of munition ones had a flush cut edge and were rough from the hammer.

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Bob R.

mshedden · Post by **mshedden** » Mon Feb 19, 2001 10:23 am

Bob, I wish I've had the opportunity to look at the real thing from different angles. No such luck. I've just studied as many pics as I could snatch off the internet. I've also spent a great deal of time staring at the one Italian sallet in Arms and Armour of the Medieval Knight.

I appreciate the info on the rolled edges. I was thinking about it, and I think the only times I've seen sallets without them was when they had a decorative brass border. The one exception to this is "black sallets" of which I've only seen maybe two pictures. In my opinion, there just aren't enough photos of munitions armour. Not to say that I don't enjoy viewing pictures of Lorenz Helmshmeid's work, but It's nice to see what was issued to the common soldier.

Michael

Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Mon Feb 19, 2001 11:59 am

I agree, I actually prefer the look of munitions grade over a lot of the fancy stuff.

Joe The Armor Weenie · Mon Feb 19, 2001 12:15 pm

*muttering to self "If only I could do that!"* Seriously (or as close as I get) wonderful work sir. I would bow down to you but that would make it very difficult to type.

- Joe

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