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:Blacksmith Tinsmith Stake Plate Anvil Tool Pexto (Small 3pc set) (#251042875777) on ebay.

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The set of tools you're bidding on consists of a small stake plate, a double horn anvil and a small bick iron. The stake plate has a pexto taper that measures approx 1" at the widest point and tapers down to 7/8" at the bottom. The taper is almost 2" deep and about 1/2" thick all around. The 5" x 3 3/4" plate has three drill points so you can drill mounting holes to secure in your bench. The plate is 1/2" thick and will hold up nicely for years to come. The double horn anvil measures 7 1/2" width x 7 1/2" in height. The taper measures approx 1" at the widest point and tapers down to 3/4" at the bottom. The small bick iron also measures 7 1/2" in height and is 11 1/2" across the top. Its taper is 1 1/4" at its widest point and tapers down to 3/4" at the bottom.

These sets are NEWLY OFFERED and of LIMITED QUANTITY! They are being discounted for optimal sales, so don't miss this unique opportunity. The tools are made of tough 60/45 ductile iron. They can be polished in a matter of minutes with a slack belt sander and polishing wheel, if desired. You can do it yourself, or polishing upon request before shipping (for an additional charge) will be made available in the near future.

I will be listing several different products used in the trade of blacksmithing, so please look at my other auctions. All tools are new and in very good condition. Castings weigh approx. 20 lbs. total. Buyer pays actual shipping cost. Made in the USA! I do combine shipping cost so if you buy more than one item, wait for an invoice with combined shipping cost to pay."



so whats 60-45 ductile iron ? my gut reaction is " iron??? wtf.. im going to beat this with steel hammers!"

I found this http://www.specialtycastings.com/ductile_iron.html on the simularities of forged steel the tensile impact strength makes me nervous with it being less than half of forged steel. however would it even be prudent to get something like this and tig weld hard wire surfacing and smooth it all out?

no one has these? no one knows anything about dutile iron?

The term cast iron is kind of a misnomer, it almost universally has a lot more carbon in it than any steel I know of. This makes it hard as hell but also very brittle. Ductile iron is generally recognized as a form of cast iron that can take more stress from beating on it than your average chunk of cast, but has its upward limits.

Welding it is pretty tricky. There have been plenty of inquiries on how to go about it on the boards; a quick search should turn up plenty of results.

im more worried it wil break the first time I start working something over it.

Hi, Ive had a few of the Beckley cast tools off ebay, the lg shroom, the small shroom. Both stood up fine I thought, If your worried about it just use a brass or copper hammer with them. I would not get a cast stake plate though, I dont think it would be tuff enough. Stakeplates are a waste of time anyway because all stakes have different shanks and tapers, better to just mount your stakes up solid any way you can and leave them in place.

Ive got 2 of Llewellyn Goddodins cast dishes also that hold up nicely.

Take care

Pitbull

These are perfectly good tools, but they're probably not the tools you're looking for. They look like they're undersized because they are. They're actually tinsmithing tools, which look exactly like armoring tools, but... well, smaller.

If you're planning on doing detail work or working with nonferrous metals, these are exactly what you need. If you're going to use them for armoring... the tools may actually stand up. Ductile Iron is fairly tough stuff. However, I would consider that to be abusing the tool. YMMV.

Ive always just made whatever I need via turch and smoothing for stakes and generally they get welded to a pipe and base. im tryin to cut down on the amount of floor space I need now so im looking for more traditional methods. considering what all ive seen for sale though Im pretty sure ill just keep using what I have and not mount everything like I had it.

I have a couple of their dishes in the ductile iron. No problems with them, other than they need cleaned up a bit from the casting. I use a variety of hammers with them and have had no more issues with them than I do with cyclinder bottoms for sinking.

do they dent easily?

No... Ductile iron will work fine for what we do.

All tools will wear... one must touch them up with the sander grinder now and then.

Hal

I have a couple of ductile iron stakes from Erik Paito. They have seen moderate service for over ten years now and have yet to chip or crack. I have resurfaced them a couple of times - because stainless steel will chew them up.

I have an anticlastic stake from ebay and it works fine. I cleaned it up with a belt sander because they come rough but it has worked well for forming... dont set a steel rivet on it though it will dent I hear

Samuel wrote:do they dent easily?

Yes.
You can work with that.
Ironmonger's dishing forms are ductile iron, and work great.
However, the thing you want to watch for is pounding any kind of sharp (or even pointed) edge on it.
For instance, if you use it to set rivets, it's going to leave marks, and they may be deep.
As long as you're only pounding sheet on it, and never hit it directly with raising hammers or drive rivet shanks into it, they'll do fine.

Of course it should also be said that you're losing a lot of energy with ductile iron.
Anvils are what they are for a reason: anvil makers try to achieve a balance between hardness and softness.
Too hard, and it will chip.
Too soft, and it will dent.
But you want it as hard as possible, because the harder it is, the more of your hammer's energy is going into your workpiece.
If you have a soft anvil/stake then some of your hammer blow is getting absorbed by the anvil/stake.

Like I said, you can work with it, but if it's something you're going to be doing all day you probably don't want ductile iron.