dumb question about helmets and gorgets

dkaardal · Post by **dkaardal** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 9:24 am

ok, this is a question that's DEFINATLEY going to prove that I'm new...

I've ordered a gothic breastplate, gorget, and full sallet.

Question I've got is since I've never seen s sallet actaully worn. How does the bevor work? does the sallet actaully rotate when you move your head, or is it fixed? does the gorget actaully attach to the helmet, or is it just a metal turtle-neck?

Yes, I realize these are pretty silly questions.. and I'm a weenie for ordering a style of armour that I've never even seen... but I'm not in the SCA, and the groups that I would use this armour with rarely go for historical accuracy. I'm something of a black sheep.

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 9:40 am

The sallet just sits on top of your head,and dosnt really connect to the bevor, so you should have pretty free head movement.the bevor is held in place by a strap running round the back of your neck,in addition to that they are sometimes also attached to the breastplate by a staple or pin.Hope this helps.....Otto

dkaardal · Post by **dkaardal** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 9:55 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Otto von Teich:
The sallet just sits on top of your head,and dosnt really connect to the bevor, so you should have pretty free head movement.the bevor is held in place by a strap running round the back of your neck,in addition to that they are sometimes also attached to the breastplate by a staple or pin.Hope this helps.....Otto<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

so the helmet just sort of slides around the bevor? Doesnt that bind at all?

Vladimir · Post by **Vladimir** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 10:50 am

I think to answer your question we need to know whether you got a reproduction sallet or an SCA combat legal sallet with bevor.

Gundo · Post by **Gundo** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 2:03 pm

Exactly as Vladimir says. For SCA combat, the most practical way is to build a close helm that looks like a sallet--the bevor and visor pivot from the same axis, and the bevor rides atop the breastplate, and turns with the head. This is even authentic, since there is an extant Helmschmied sallet built this way.
But in period it was more common for the pieces to be separate, and the bevor to remain stationary. The sallet should be large enough to clear the bevor as you turn your head.

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Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 5:31 pm

Heck, I've seen people use a bevor front with a c-spine protecting back like a "normal" gorget in conjunction with a bar grill bascinet. So yea, "depends."

Morgan · Post by **Morgan** » Thu Mar 01, 2001 5:41 pm

OH, and there are NO dumb questions about bevors, gorgets, and helms. This is your head and neck we're talking about! You need those.

dkaardal · Post by **dkaardal** » Fri Mar 02, 2001 12:07 am

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:<HR>Originally posted by Morgan:
OH, and there are NO dumb questions about bevors, gorgets, and helms. This is your head and neck we're talking about! You need those.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

heh - thanks.

I just never really thought about it until I was actually going to buy one. I mean, frankly it's pretty daft of me to even order one when i havnt tried one on to see about visibility, comfort, etc... but hey - I'm a slave to fashion, and they're all the rage this century.

Kristoffer · Post by **Kristoffer** » Fri Mar 02, 2001 5:43 am

On my SCA sallet, I've got a small chain that attatch the bevor with the visor of the sallet. On the end of the chain I have a "T" shaped metal thingie that i slide trough an opening in the visor. Makes it all legal, and its as close as period possible (I think)..

Harold the Bear · Post by **Harold the Bear** » Fri Mar 02, 2001 8:21 am

<---------------------Learned somthing new about a bevor and sallet and how they move together

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