The Armour Archive

... on the way to get a late 14th century harness.

Finally I finished the corrazina I was working on. Build on the pattern provided by Talbot with some small changes to get it to fit me

Picture 1 of my corrazina
Picture 2

Plates are 1.5mm mild steel for the breast and 1.25 mm mild steel for the back and faulds. These were riveted to a base of elk leather and red Velvet.

All nails I used as rivets have been plated in gold. It seemed like a great idea at the beginning, but had I known how time consuming galvernising can be, if you are plating some 350 nails in gold, maybe I had chosen something else for riveting.



Next on my "to do list" to get a fine 14th century harness:

- sew the voiders I have (8 mm wedge riveted mail) to gambeson
- build sabatons
- build great Bascinet

It´s slow going, but I am getting to the point I was aiming for.

What do you think?

Greetings from Germany

Edited to get a better Picture online, Grand Bascinet aquired

sieht doch schon super aus! immer schön fleißig sein

Looking mighty fine to me, very spiff.

Thanks for the pics.

Hal

What documentation for voiders and maille skirt do you have for 14th century? I never seen it...that would be a cool work around a haubergon (saves weight and money!)

There's actually been several threads on that recently. Gimmie a sec, maybe I can track a few of them down.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=168360
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=167892
viewtopic.php?f=4&t=158477
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=136687&p=2032128
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=126312

Belemrys wrote:What documentation for voiders and maille skirt do you have for 14th century? I never seen it...that would be a cool work around a haubergon (saves weight and money!)

Here are two passages where mail voiders were mentioned. Speaking german myself, I concure with the Translation provided by Bertus Brocamps of these two passages.

Anonymous, Middle-Dutch account entry of 1361-62: "Item tot eenen paer kousen sine yseren lappen op te nayen ende op te wapenen 4½ quartier ghemenghets 18 s." (Translation Bertus Brocamp: "For a pair of hosen to sew and arm his iron patches on, 4½ quarters of mixed (colourwise) cloth [cost] 18 s."

Anonymous, Limburger Chronik (west German, late 14th century) published as Deutsche Chroniken (Hannover, 1883) Vol. 4/1 page 39/chapter 28: "Item die underwamse hatten enge armen unde in dem gewerbe waren si benehet unde behaft mit stucken von panzern, daz nante man musisen." (Tr. Bertus Brocamp "The underdoublets had narrow arms and in the articulations they were besewn and fitted with pieces of haubergeons, these were called 'mus'irons.")

I would like to recreate my voiders similar to the picture added , to achieve the right - the full mail - impression. Thus saving a whole lot of weight, without giving up the look of a relativly well of german man at arms in the late 14th century.

Greetings

doner765 wrote:sieht doch schon super aus! immer schön fleißig sein

Hallo Jan, ich habe gerade auf Facebook gesehen, dass Du eine Quelle für Federstahl gefunden hast. Würdest Du mir die Quelle verraten? Ich denke Jan van Nyenrode wäre auch interessiert. Haben letztes Jahr versucht hier in der Gegend etwas zu finden, jedoch war das entweder viel zu teuer, oder nicht zu finden.

Gruß

Or you could just use sleeves, thus saving even more weight. (they are hanging near the corazzina)

http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4365/16762/
http://manuscriptminiatures.com/4365/16771/

Kalle,

You called?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=167257

Regards,

Jan

Jan van Nyenrode wrote:Kalle,

You called?

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=167257

Regards,

Jan

Hallo Jan,

thank you for the link, I sadly missed this topic. Düsseldorf is about 25 km away

Greetings

Jan did that job for me
Kalle du hast echt n sauglück! ich musste das zeug quer durch deutschland versenden lassen bevor du aber in federstahl arbeitest, solltest du eine hitzequelle (brenner oder esse) zur verfügung haben und die grundtechniken des formens draufhaben, der federstahl ist 2 nummern schwerer zu bearbeiten als der gängige baustahl:)

liebe grüße!

doner765 wrote:Jan did that job for me
Kalle du hast echt n sauglück! ich musste das zeug quer durch deutschland versenden lassen bevor du aber in federstahl arbeitest, solltest du eine hitzequelle (brenner oder esse) zur verfügung haben und die grundtechniken des formens draufhaben, der federstahl ist 2 nummern schwerer zu bearbeiten als der gängige baustahl:)
liebe grüße!

Gas-Esse und Brenner vorhanden werde dann mal schauen wieviel schwerer das Formen wird. Zum härten muss ich mir noch was überlegen ...