New to Smithing, Need Help

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Konstantin the Red
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Re: New to Smithing, Need Help

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Carpenters' vise:
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A carpenter's vice would be smoking wood shavings. Very bad for the lungs, that.

Carpenters' vise installed, in use:
Image They do it this way so you can use the whole benchtop to clamp large assemblies together lying on the bench -- handy for building butcher blocks, gluing together big laminated things, etc., by providing pressure against stout pegs elsewhere in the benchtop. In effect, the whole bench becomes a stabler sort of pony-clamp. It's actively holding everything up while you glue it together and let it dry, or do other assembling things that need pieces to stay in place while you work.

About Carpenters' Vises, w/illos and a cross section.

Mechanics' or Machinists' vises -- a simple one with no turntable base:
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And one with:
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Post, or Leg, Vise
Image The leg side of things goes right next to the edge of the bench, to which that mounting plate bolts. Note it's not a huge hunk of metal; the leg or post standing to the floor is doing the real work. The handle side of it sticks out far enough to really smack you in the hip if you are groping around your shop in the dark.

"Post" vise seems the best term for the smith's tool; there are other kinds of "leg" vises, generally carpentry again, that make use of the workbench leg, and that's where they live. I guess they do clever stuff; I've never seen one.

And care and feeding of tired old leg vises, and pix.
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Re: New to Smithing, Need Help

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If you speak English instead of American then Vice is perfectly correct for the tool; as an American, one of my vices is vises!

Most carpentry and machinist vises are made of cast iron and so quite fragile under impact. The nice ductile or malleable iron machinist vises tend to cost 10+ times the cast iron ones.

Sometimes you can find a HUGE machinist style vise as in 150 pounds in weight that was a "chipping vise" used to hold raw castings and you chisel and file them to finished form. They will take some impact.

There are some very odd multitool vises Its a vise, its an anvil, its a drill press, its a grinder ITS NEARLY COMPLETELY USELESS FOR ANY OF THOSE TASKS don't buy one unless you are paying scrap metal rates...Broken pieces abound out there often falsely advertised.
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Re: New to Smithing, Need Help

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Perhaps our English cousins are for one reason or another -- even one as exotic as a lunate S -- not wholly wrong, but it rather looks as if the -s- spelling has the more etymological virtue.
Middle English (denoting a screw or winch): from Old French vis, from Latin vitis ‘vine.’
With which Wiktionary agrees also, along with cites for other European languages having the word, from as readily understood as a French verb for "to screw," in no sense resembling any meaning of foutre :twisted: to Latin for "O Visus!" (handy, I suppose, in speaking to the ghost of an old Roman) to Danish for a song form, to Hungarian...
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Re: New to Smithing, Need Help

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Tornillo de banco---what I hear on a regular basis down here.

I'd put linguistic virtue on the side of what the folks are actively using and so Vice in UK and Vise in the USA; I'll check out my facsimile copy of Moxon tonight and see what he was using back in the late 1600's
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