i am thinking of changing my persona to the later years of the 100 years war.somewhere between 1420 and 1453 on the french side.what helm styles would be appropriate
for that time period? would a pigfaced bascinet still be in style? i would appreciate your opinions.
thanks,Fitz
Helm styles for 1400-1450
- Otto von Teich
- Archive Member
- Posts: 17388
- Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2000 2:01 am
- Location: The Great State of Texas.
-
chef de chambre
- Archive Member
- Posts: 28806
- Joined: Thu Aug 10, 2000 1:01 am
- Location: Nashua, N.H. U.S.
- Contact:
Hi Fitz,
From early to late -
Great Bascinet, Sallet, Armet (assuming you are portraying a fully armed man). All three could be found simultaniously toward the end of the era you are enquiring about. The Hundskull would be old fashioned at this point, and only relevent for the very beginning - even attached to a great bascinet.
As to Great bascinets being worn into battle without visors entirely, I doubt this. The notion comes from monuments where the visor is left off the sculpture or brass to show the face of the deceased.
To wear a full harness then leave the visor off for a knight participating in the Hundred years war would be tantamount to suicide (especially for the poor French). The visor was often shoved up once contact was immenant to allow the wearer to breathe and see freely. Down for the arrow storm, up for the contact.
Hope this helps.
------------------
Bob R.
From early to late -
Great Bascinet, Sallet, Armet (assuming you are portraying a fully armed man). All three could be found simultaniously toward the end of the era you are enquiring about. The Hundskull would be old fashioned at this point, and only relevent for the very beginning - even attached to a great bascinet.
As to Great bascinets being worn into battle without visors entirely, I doubt this. The notion comes from monuments where the visor is left off the sculpture or brass to show the face of the deceased.
To wear a full harness then leave the visor off for a knight participating in the Hundred years war would be tantamount to suicide (especially for the poor French). The visor was often shoved up once contact was immenant to allow the wearer to breathe and see freely. Down for the arrow storm, up for the contact.

Hope this helps.
------------------
Bob R.
could you describe the difference between
the great bascinet and the bascinet? also
would the sallet be worn with the bevor or is this a later invention? what would you recommend along the lines of research material for this era? thanks alot for your input.
p.s. while i'm at it what breast and back would be appropriate as well.
Fitz
the great bascinet and the bascinet? also
would the sallet be worn with the bevor or is this a later invention? what would you recommend along the lines of research material for this era? thanks alot for your input.
p.s. while i'm at it what breast and back would be appropriate as well.
Fitz
- Otto von Teich
- Archive Member
- Posts: 17388
- Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2000 2:01 am
- Location: The Great State of Texas.
Fitz, I think Bobs right on that, if a great helm was worn over the bascinet at this late a date, it would have been for tournament purposes, and not warfare.The diference between the Great Bascinet and regular bascinet was that the great bascinet would have the high steel gorget that probably overlaped the bascinet at the bottom edge which would allow a little rotation of the head from side to side.I think the early salades were most often worn without a bevor. As far as a breastplate goes,it would probably be globose with a fauld, or a two piece globose Milanese style....Otto
