In a shocking "senior moment" I lost track of the part where I had started a thread about this project and started posting here instead. I'm going to cut my loses and move the posts to that thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188838&p=2855613#p2855613
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Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Mac wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:32 pm
Today I shaped up the cuisse fronts.
Mac, could You tell us a little more about the curves in these main plates, and what is shared with Italian legs? Where are concaves, where is a convex, what to keep flat for purpose of articulation... Every bit appreciated!
Mac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:05 pm
I slide the tool under an assembly and bring it over to the fire.
Mac, what is that majestic flame-producing device You have there? Propane, Butane, sth-else-ane, what's the trade name...? This question also extends to the nozzle on it. Never seen anything like that on a bottle this size...reminds me of Bunsen Burners
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Mac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:45 pmIt looks like the cuff articulations are not really intended to give any extension, but only flexion. Their fully extended position is more or less flat when view form the side. In my side view, I have made them sit on their lower edges, which raises up the cuff and loosens the overlaps.
Sorry to necro this Mac, but it fits into the scope of a project I'm working on.
Should I assume this to be a general observation with authentic Gothic gaunts? Your image here suggests so, assuming the positioning is right. And it surely isn't far off.
Indianer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:35 pm
Mac, what is that majestic flame-producing device You have there? Propane, Butane, sth-else-ane, what's the trade name...?
Mac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:05 pm
I slide the tool under an assembly and bring it over to the fire.
Mac, what is that majestic flame-producing device You have there? Propane, Butane, sth-else-ane, what's the trade name...? This question also extends to the nozzle on it. Never seen anything like that on a bottle this size...reminds me of Bunsen Burners
It is a propane torch. There is nothing special about it.
That can is one of the two disposable sizes we have here. We have a tall skinny can and a short fat can. I almost always buy the short ones because they are more stable.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Mac wrote: ↑Wed Nov 24, 2021 10:05 pm
This is the business end of the punch which will form the caps. The tin block shows a series of depressions.
Question remains, how do the depressions get into the tin block?
The depressions form naturally by just laying the blank down on the tin and striking it with the punch. After a few uses the depressions get too big and ill defined, and have to be abandoned for a fresh spot on the block. Eventually the block becomes useless and needs to be re-cast. Fortunately, this is a simple process.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Mac wrote: ↑Sat Oct 06, 2018 12:45 pmIt looks like the cuff articulations are not really intended to give any extension, but only flexion. Their fully extended position is more or less flat when view form the side. In my side view, I have made them sit on their lower edges, which raises up the cuff and loosens the overlaps.
Sorry to necro this Mac, but it fits into the scope of a project I'm working on.
Should I assume this to be a general observation with authentic Gothic gaunts? Your image here suggests so, assuming the positioning is right. And it surely isn't far off.
So far as I can tell, what I have done here is typical of Gothic gauntlets.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
In a shocking "senior moment" I lost track of the part where I had started a thread about this project and started posting here instead. I'm going to cut my loses and move the posts to that thread. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=188838&p=2855613#p2855613
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Mac wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2023 11:20 am
It is a propane torch. There is nothing special about it.
Thanks for an answers guys!
The burner on top would be essentially the same as these 3 variants, yes? German public doesn't really have it with real-sized gas bottles. There's not an application around where one wouldn't put a hose on it first.
Mac, I am sorry I am flooding Your thread with questions. They just pile up as I dig in.. :/
I have another plea. Would You map out the work you did with the hammer on all these plates? I see it is the same overall. You struck with a cross-peen along the center line, and on cuff and metacarpal diverted from it in a sort of Y pattern. What did you achieve with this?
I'd dish those first. Then round over the edges, prolly over a horn, a cow tongue, even a pipe stake. I have detailed notes on all of these plates, but nothing related to the pattern of hammer marks I see in Yours.
Mac, I am sorry I am flooding Your thread with questions. They just pile up as I dig in.. :/
I have another plea. Would You map out the work you did with the hammer on all these plates? I see it is the same overall. You struck with a cross-peen along the center line, and on cuff and metacarpal diverted from it in a sort of Y pattern. What did you achieve with this?
I'd dish those first. Then round over the edges, prolly over a horn, a cow tongue, even a pipe stake. I have detailed notes on all of these plates, but nothing related to the pattern of hammer marks I see in Yours.
All of the compound curvature of the plates was produced by hammering from the back side with the work supported on an anvil or other stake. Each blow pinched the metal and forced it to spread. The shape of the hammer dictates the direction of the primary spread of the metal. The number and strength of the blows determines how much it will spread. In the cuff, the desired result is an anticlastic curvature, and the blows were heavy, numerous, and carried right to the proximal edge. All the other plates are synclastically curved to a greater of lesser amount. For these, the hammer blows are light, and sparse. They are not carried all the way to any of the edges of the plates. For the most part, the procedure was to curve the plates to their general shape using whatever method was convenient; then hammer from the back to pinch the metal into its compound curvature.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
THank You very much Mac! Would that mean you didn't start them off by dishing at all? I'm asking because that's the beginning I've seen in videos. Many roads lead to Rome..
Indianer wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 10:44 am
THank You very much Mac! Would that mean you didn't start them off by dishing at all? I'm asking because that's the beginning I've seen in videos. Many roads lead to Rome..
That is right. There is no dishing step. The compound curvatures of the lames is too subtle to benefit from any dishing.
Many roads do lead to Rome, but some are more direct than others.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Indianer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:02 pm
Mac, could You tell us a little more about the curves in these main plates, and what is shared with Italian legs? Where are concaves, where is a convex, what to keep flat for purpose of articulation... Every bit appreciated!
I will second this request from Indianer. I know common problem with may modern cuisses is that they are too "tapering tube" shaped. I've been trying to wrap my head around the subtleties better and overdid things way too much in my last project. I think I can see what is going on in the pictures, but would benefit from more explanation that clarify things that can get lost in a camera lens.
Indianer wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 1:02 pm
Mac, could You tell us a little more about the curves in these main plates, and what is shared with Italian legs? Where are concaves, where is a convex, what to keep flat for purpose of articulation... Every bit appreciated!
I will second this request from Indianer. I know common problem with may modern cuisses is that they are too "tapering tube" shaped. I've been trying to wrap my head around the subtleties better and overdid things way too much in my last project. I think I can see what is going on in the pictures, but would benefit from more explanation that clarify things that can get lost in a camera lens.
Oh dear! It's a subject that is hard to describe, and I will need to get my thoughts together in order to do so. Keep reminding me. It's going to take some leap of pedagogy come up with a way to talk about and describe or illustrate.
Mac
Robert MacPherson
The craftsmen of old had their secrets, and those secrets died with them. We are not the better for that, and neither are they.
Mac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:37 am
Oh dear! It's a subject that is hard to describe, and I will need to get my thoughts together in order to do so. Keep reminding me. It's going to take some leap of pedagogy come up with a way to talk about and describe or illustrate.
Mac
Will do! Yeah, it seems like it should be simple but I've been trying and failing to wrap my head around it for a couple of years. As a shorthand suggestion that might not distract too much from your work on this project, perhaps some circles and arrows showing where you did your hammer work on the present examples? I 'think' I see the shapes. Seeing how you got there would confirm it.
Mac wrote: ↑Fri Nov 03, 2023 9:37 am
Oh dear! It's a subject that is hard to describe, and I will need to get my thoughts together in order to do so. Keep reminding me. It's going to take some leap of pedagogy come up with a way to talk about and describe or illustrate.
Mac
Will do! Yeah, it seems like it should be simple but I've been trying and failing to wrap my head around it for a couple of years. As a shorthand suggestion that might not distract too much from your work on this project, perhaps some circles and arrows showing where you did your hammer work on the present examples? I 'think' I see the shapes. Seeing how you got there would confirm it.
Would that mean you didn't start them off by dishing at all? I'm asking because that's the beginning I've seen in videos. Many roads lead to Rome..
