MAN! I want this helm......

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Tue Apr 03, 2001 6:09 pm

http://www.armourarchive.org/patterns/klapp_face_bascinet_sinric/index.html

What would a helmet like this cost? I'd want it to be just like in the picture - 14ga stainless, high polish, hinging face plate and bargrill. Everything but the aventail.

Every day for the last month I've been fantasizing about this helmet. I've already got the 14ga stainless steel bascinet tops (Thanks Ron!) which I guess is a step in the right direction.

What would you guys charge for something like that if I already had the helm tops too?

Damn, that's spiffy....

Gethin · Post by **Gethin** » Tue Apr 03, 2001 10:18 pm

One question for ya Clay,
Do you wish to have period padding for the helm?
If you do, then there will be extra holes to drill.
(I am asking so that any anyone considering your request can include it in there quote)

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Rhys
"Art calls for complete mastery of techniques, developed by reflection within the soul"
Sifu Jun Fan Lee

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:28 am

No, no period padding. Just regular padding is fine.

Drake Orion · Post by **Drake Orion** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 9:21 am

I hear ya PoD...I have the thought of that helm cross my mind at least once a day...I would like the eye slots a little more crisp, but it's SWEET! I think I like that design because it sticks with a more period look hiding the cheek plates under the aventail. I don't like the overly large visors. It took me months of trying to figure out what was wrong with everyone elses!

[This message has been edited by Drake Orion (edited 04-04-2001).]

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 10:51 am

Yup, definitely a nice piece. So, are there no armourers out there who have the ability to make something like this and quote a price? I'm looking for a range of prices, like $250-300, $1000-10,000, etc.

Vermin · Post by **Vermin** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 11:19 am

Check out Eagles Talon armories....Bryan has a nice one, there may be a bit of a wait though....
Hope that helps.
VvS

Lord Jack · Post by **Lord Jack** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:00 pm

I'm not an armoury but I'll become one and make that helm for about 23,000 (which was my gross income last year). It'll take about one year to produce and the best part is I can quit my current job and go SCA events again

Konrad · Post by **Konrad** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:11 pm

Why wait? The Klappvisor shown on Bryan's page is the one he made for me! The helm is 12 ga. stainless while the visor is 14 ga. stainless (aventail included). This helm will stand up to some real punishment. I have a large-ish head 24" so it would not work for a smaller person. I would be willing to sell it to a good home for $450 plus shipping. There is a picture of it on the Archive members kit pictures operated by Krag. Look under 'Konrad von Krixen'. Also here is a lower quality photo:

http://www.barony-of-arnhold.org/apictures.htm

If anyone is intersted please drop me a line and I might be able to send along a few recent photos.

Deacon · Post by **Deacon** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 12:43 pm

I hear ya that is one fine helmet!

My personal fav is the one that White Mountain makes - http://www.thegreenman.net/wma/wmahelms.htm

Thing is awesome. That exact wma helm was up for bid on eBay about a month ago and I lost the bid...it was part of a full kit and the bidding got too high. I had to bail around $650 or so. Didn't want the kit, just the helmet. I was bummed for days...

Deacon

Sasha · Post by **Sasha** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 4:13 pm

My price on something like that in 2mm stainless. No avential. Two visors (bars and war-face). Something like $350US.

That is with what I consider a nice array of detailing. However since a lot fo the price is in the details, the final quote is varriable...a little bit cheaper or a whole lot more expensive.

Hold on to your wallet, though. I am not takiing orders for a little while. Just thought I would cast in my rough quote.
(I will also not do the "interesting" inside weld shown in the pictures.....)

Lynxicanus · Post by **Lynxicanus** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 5:23 pm

Question - why would you make the cheek peices as seperate? Is that at all period? I ahve never seen that anywhere, but that dont mean it never happened.

Clay, Peter Fuller will make you a perfect replica with less welds, and anything change in face design you would like for something like 1000 - to - 1200 neighboorhood (I think).... thats if you want to buy some of the best around. If you are interested check out medievalrepo.com and send him the pic.

Payn · Post by **Payn** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 7:16 pm

My latest lust... got on the commision slot for delivery of February

http://www.anshelmarms.com/graphics/roundnose.jpg

mmmmmm... tasty.

Fritz the peasant

Gaston · Post by **Gaston** » Wed Apr 04, 2001 7:28 pm

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Clay:
No, no period padding. Just regular padding is fine. </font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Heretic!! Period padding IS "regular" padding!!!

Sheesh, how soon they forget!

[This message has been edited by Gaston (edited 04-04-2001).]

SwordDancer · Post by **SwordDancer** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 1:31 am

Just had to back up the last one by Gaston, sometimes these people get so modernized they forget the what REAL is.

Clay · Post by **Clay** » Thu Apr 05, 2001 10:42 am

What I meant by "regular" padding is that 1/2" blue foam crap you get al Wal-Mart. I wouldn't know the proper period padding for this thing.

Drake Orion · Post by **Drake Orion** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 1:35 pm

Lynxicanus: What I was trying to say is that sca demands no larger then an inch opening in the helm the pic below shows the correct shape face plate. the cheek plates are for sca combat and are covered by the aventail. I prefer this shape over a larger face plate that's all.
DUDE!!!
[img]http://www.anshelmarms.com/graphics/roundnose.jpg[/img]

[This message has been edited by Drake Orion (edited 04-06-2001).]

Vitus von Atzinger · Post by **Vitus von Atzinger** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 4:04 pm

I still think that my Klap may be the best-looking one around (although the one that Luther made for HRH Bardolph is killer as well)....
http://www.isd.net/cdavis/current.html

Joe Skeesick · Post by **Joe Skeesick** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 4:26 pm

I'd put yours (cad's) and Luthers right up there as the best thats for sure....

Ya gonna have it back in time for kinser? I'd like to see it in person.

J

Lynxicanus · Post by **Lynxicanus** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 7:09 pm

Drake - Sorry if my question was not totally clear. I have seen examples of medieval basinets where the design incorperates cheeks which are inlarged and do cover a very substantial part of the face under the aventail. These is a part of the basinet, the whole thing made from one peice of metal. I have never seen an example (historically) where the cheek plates were separate from the basinet and riveted on afterwards. I was wondering if the riveted cheek plates on this helmet have any historical basis, and if not, why one would make it that way as uposed to in one peice.

Otto von Teich · Post by **Otto von Teich** » Fri Apr 06, 2001 8:36 pm

Great looking Bascinet Vitus, Hope to see it at Kinser as well.I'm still wearing my ugly spun top pignose, but I ordered an oniontop
Bascinet with pig nose from Anshelm, looks like its going to be 12-18 months for delivery though ......Otto

Sinric · Post by **Sinric** » Sat Apr 07, 2001 12:01 am

Lynxicanus:

The Bascinet style that I based this helmet on had open area where the separate cheek plates are. I added the cheek plates to meet SCA requirements. By having the cheek plates separate the pattern could easily be used by someone who wanted a purely historical helmet. They would simply omit them and the area would be covered only by mail.

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Dragon Slayer · Post by **Dragon Slayer** » Fri Apr 13, 2001 2:21 am

Alail.....bumped