A week or 2 ago i posted a question about chainmaille, i asked what size would work for a shirt that was going to be used for looking pretty in.
i settled on 5/16 id rings, 16 gauge.
before that the smallest i'd done was 10mm id rings, in coat hanger, whatever gauge that was...
though i did make a ring maile fantasy number, 1" id, with 1/4" roundstock. anyways, thats off topic...
back on topic, i figured i'd show anyone interested my prgress, the neck hole needs to be filled in still, and i know the weave runs sideways, i did it like that cause i liked the way it looked more. remeber, short of getting mugged it isnt going to be seeing combat....
anwyas, without further adue.....
[img]http://www.angelfire.com/mt/tybolt/pics/45meters.jpg[/img]
If that pic doesnt work go to http://www.angelfire.com/mt/tybolt/pics/45meters.jpg
Oh yea, this is after 45 meters of wire, uhm, and i've only got the one pic, i crammed it onto the scanner so no, it isnt the best pic.
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[This message has been edited by Tybolt (edited 06-14-2001).]
chainmaille progress.
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Since you are still early on in the project, i recommend making a 90 degree shift (into what is the "normal" direction for maille)... glad that you think it is cool this way, but as you make the shirt larger (and the weight increases) you will appreciate the reasons the majority of modern (and all historical) shirts run in the standard direction.
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR><font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Tybolt:
Why exactly do you recomend the 90 degree switch?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, if Left & right of photo are front & back, you're kinda ok, although I would've gone 90deg opposite for the shoulders if not, he's right, you need to shift. Because, the way you're weaving now, all the expasion in the piece is up & down, and instead of laying nicely like in the pic, all the links are gonna be pulled tight. Plus, having no horizontal expansion will make putting it on fairly difficult IMHO.
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Why exactly do you recomend the 90 degree switch?</font><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Well, if Left & right of photo are front & back, you're kinda ok, although I would've gone 90deg opposite for the shoulders if not, he's right, you need to shift. Because, the way you're weaving now, all the expasion in the piece is up & down, and instead of laying nicely like in the pic, all the links are gonna be pulled tight. Plus, having no horizontal expansion will make putting it on fairly difficult IMHO.
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I recommend the 90 degree switch because it is historical... ok, I know that is often an anal reason, but in this case its trial by fire... after a few hundred years of experience, the overwhelming majority lay in the "standard" way. This makes for a shirt that fits "tall and thin" or "short and wide"... its hangs better, fits better... and is just the way it has been done for hundreds of years (according to the knowledgeable scholars I have asked).
you think it looks better to you, then do it. Its never wrong.. but if you want to make it more historical and fit better; save yourself the learning curve and use history's example.
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you think it looks better to you, then do it. Its never wrong.. but if you want to make it more historical and fit better; save yourself the learning curve and use history's example.
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I have to agree that the standard grain is the way to go. I think it will bunch up funny on you,hang funny, and you wil wind up with a signifigantly heavier and stiffer garment. Also, I think it looks funny with the weave going the other way, but thats the same reason I hate sleeves done at a different angle. Severian is right, two thousand years of practical experience doing it one way has to mean something...
Bottem line tho is that it is your project, and you can do it any way you want. As long as you are happy with the finished product, thats all that matters. I would weigh in the advice given by others tho, because our experience could save you a real hassle later if you see something later in construction that wasn`t evident at this stage. Few things I hate more than disassembling mail to correct a mistake I made and missed!
Good luck either way!
John
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Bottem line tho is that it is your project, and you can do it any way you want. As long as you are happy with the finished product, thats all that matters. I would weigh in the advice given by others tho, because our experience could save you a real hassle later if you see something later in construction that wasn`t evident at this stage. Few things I hate more than disassembling mail to correct a mistake I made and missed!
Good luck either way!
John
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Without meaning to offend the members who have posted already I must disagree on a few points.
First, if you hang the mail with the grain crosswise the finished shirt will actually be lighter than the standard direction. The reason for this is that the weave hangs open and there are less rings for the area that you want to cover.
Second is that the maille will not be too stiff or ill fitting this way it still has a lot of flexibility and as long as it is being made to fit one person it will actually fit better than a garment with the grain going the other way. The trick is to make the maille, as it naturally hangs with the grain crosswise, smaller around than your body. That way it will stretch to fit perfectly.
If anyone larger wears it it will also stretch to fit them but won't be as long, if a smaller persom wears it will it hang off them like a curtain(very cumbersome and uncomfortable).
Thirdly, the only real reason to use the standard grain is that it sheds a blow much better because the weapon doesn't catch and pull on the rings so easily but tends too roll off.
Personally I prefer the standard weave direction, but I have made several shirts with the grain going crosswise for other people. I chose to do them that way specifically because they are inexpensive, lighter and fit better which is exactly what most people who wear maille want.
First, if you hang the mail with the grain crosswise the finished shirt will actually be lighter than the standard direction. The reason for this is that the weave hangs open and there are less rings for the area that you want to cover.
Second is that the maille will not be too stiff or ill fitting this way it still has a lot of flexibility and as long as it is being made to fit one person it will actually fit better than a garment with the grain going the other way. The trick is to make the maille, as it naturally hangs with the grain crosswise, smaller around than your body. That way it will stretch to fit perfectly.
If anyone larger wears it it will also stretch to fit them but won't be as long, if a smaller persom wears it will it hang off them like a curtain(very cumbersome and uncomfortable).
Thirdly, the only real reason to use the standard grain is that it sheds a blow much better because the weapon doesn't catch and pull on the rings so easily but tends too roll off.
Personally I prefer the standard weave direction, but I have made several shirts with the grain going crosswise for other people. I chose to do them that way specifically because they are inexpensive, lighter and fit better which is exactly what most people who wear maille want.
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Well, It's getting made for me myself and i, so i dont have to worry about others wearing it. like i've said before, the point of the shirt is to "look pretty" in, it isnt intended for combat of any form. so i dont really have to wory about how well it sheds blows.
So i think i'll stick with making it whe way i have been, just cause i started this way and dont really want to change it all up.
thanks for everyons imput though. gave me a lot to think about, and a break from mailing while i thought
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee:
So i think i'll stick with making it whe way i have been, just cause i started this way and dont really want to change it all up.
thanks for everyons imput though. gave me a lot to think about, and a break from mailing while i thought
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What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee: